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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2023 10:07:04 GMT
I don't think there is a police shortage, there's just a shortage of police actually do anything about real crime.
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2023 10:13:40 GMT
If the girl had been hurt, perhaps there might have been an inquiry - perhaps a politically motivated inquiry into 'police misogyny'
It's just so much simpler to be lazy and let this happen than to confront the opportunism properly - so that's what the public do.
The result is a police force that has no confidence and is ineffective.
Does anyone recall a couple of years ago, corporations, companies and millions of the public lazily backed the false claims of Black lives Matter?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 10:13:57 GMT
I don't think there is a police shortage, there's just a shortage of police actually do anything about real crime. Yes indeed.
Policing has become politicised. Everyone has their own view of how it should be carried out. And the police are trying to appease dozens of different agendas simultaneously.
And that's society's (and Sheepy's) fault because that's how they want it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 10:14:50 GMT
If the girl had been hurt, perhaps there might have been an inquiry - perhaps a politically motivated inquiry into 'police misogyny' It's just so much simpler to be lazy and let this happen than to confront the opportunism properly - so that's what the public do. The result is a police force that has no confidence and is ineffective And a prime example of society getting the policing it deserves. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 10:15:38 GMT
I don't think there is a police shortage, there's just a shortage of police actually do anything about real crime. Yes indeed.
Policing has become politicised. Everyone has their own view of how it should be carried out. And the police are trying to appease dozens of different agendas simultaneously.
And that's society's (and Sheepy's) fault because that's how they want it.
Nice try but I never voted for any of it or even suggested it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 10:19:23 GMT
No, but your attitudes are contributing to it right now.
If you're concerned about the direction of policing then write to your MP. Or get on one of the numerous police steering and consultative committees. Or stand as policing and crime commissioner (or whatever they're called in your area).
But if you leave that to other people, you accept that status quo, then you get the policing you deserve.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 10:24:06 GMT
No, but your attitudes are contributing to it right now. If you're concerned about the direction of policing then write to your MP. Or get on one of the numerous police steering and consultative committees. Or stand as policing and crime commissioner (or whatever they're called in your area). But if you leave that to other people, you accept that status quo, then you get the policing you deserve. No I don't only on your say so, because as a public body they have decided for themselves the public have decided, which you seem to think they have in defence of their style of policing, my MP probably doesn't even know what day it is or much care. Don't blame the police blame the public play me another song, that one is boring. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2023 10:24:36 GMT
If the girl had been hurt, perhaps there might have been an inquiry - perhaps a politically motivated inquiry into 'police misogyny' It's just so much simpler to be lazy and let this happen than to confront the opportunism properly - so that's what the public do. The result is a police force that has no confidence and is ineffective And a prime example of society getting the policing it deserves. The trouble is, the good people who want an orderly, rational society don't tend to form activist pressure groups because, in this nation's recent history, it was never remotely necessary to do so. It was one of our key efficiencies that working people could get on with their jobs without having to bother themselves about such issues. This is no longer the case |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 10:30:54 GMT
Diversion,we’re they innocent a lot of innocent people get arrested - the discussion is about how many Cops it takes to arrest someone. Well to be precise the link is about a autistic person who was arrested  |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 11, 2023 10:31:44 GMT
Still doesn't explain why the police were called in the first place. We could guess. Daughter is having a hissy fit which the parents can't control and call the police, or the neighbours do. Then the family turn on the police as they so often do in domestic disputes, and start filming the officers. They then upload their results to that awful TikTok platform and try to get some sympathy. The Police say there is evidence on body cameras which provide greater context to the incident and they are investigating the complaint. I agree there is always two sides to every story , the body cameras worn by Police work both ways, it is there to record evidence of what or whom they are dealing with and how they behave, it also records what the Police are saying and doing. At present not knowing fully what actually did take place how can anyone reach an accurate conclusion |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 11, 2023 10:34:32 GMT
And a prime example of society getting the policing it deserves. The trouble is, the good people who want an orderly, rational society don't tend to form activist pressure groups because, in this nation's recent history, it was never remotely necessary to do so. It was one of our key efficiencies that working people could get on with their jobs without having to bother themselves about such issues. This is no longer the case True. The ‘establishment’ doesn’t see good and bad people any more . The victim and perpetrator are just two cheeks on the same arse…unless it’s one of their pet projects. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 10:47:36 GMT
No, but your attitudes are contributing to it right now. If you're concerned about the direction of policing then write to your MP. Or get on one of the numerous police steering and consultative committees. Or stand as policing and crime commissioner (or whatever they're called in your area). But if you leave that to other people, you accept that status quo, then you get the policing you deserve. No I don't only on your say so, because as a public body they have decided for themselves the public have decided, which you seem to think they have in defence of their style of policing, my MP probably doesn't even know what day it is or much care. Don't blame the police blame the public play me another song, that one is boring. LOL! The police are the public.
And society gets the policing it deserves.
Sorry if you don't like it, but that's a fact.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 10:50:34 GMT
No I don't only on your say so, because as a public body they have decided for themselves the public have decided, which you seem to think they have in defence of their style of policing, my MP probably doesn't even know what day it is or much care. Don't blame the police blame the public play me another song, that one is boring. LOL! The police are the public.
And society gets the policing it deserves.
Sorry if you don't like it, but that's a fact.
Since when? they are public servants, something completely different. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 10:53:31 GMT
LOL! The police are the public.
And society gets the policing it deserves.
Sorry if you don't like it, but that's a fact.
Since when? they are public servants, something completely different. 1829.
“The police are the public, and the public are the police”, and that they are only members of the public “who are paid to give full-time attention to duties that are incumbent on every citizen”
Sir Robert Peel. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 10:55:04 GMT
Since when? they are public servants, something completely different. 1829.
“The police are the public, and the public are the police”, and that they are only members of the public “who are paid to give full-time attention to duties that are incumbent on every citizen”
Sir Robert Peel. So a public servant then! |
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