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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 10, 2023 22:35:18 GMT
That still doesn't explain why it needed 7 of them. If West Yorks Police have enough cops sat around that they can spare 7 to take one drunk girl home then that would suggest that Yorkshire is a haven of peace and tranquility. Do grow up.
I could kill you on my own, probably with one punch, and that's not grandstanding - it's a simple fact.
But if I wanted to restrain you, without injuring you, I'd get 4 mates to grab a limb each while I protected your head.
That's how the police operate, with a few more feet on the ground to keep the idiots at bay.
It's not a playground fight - it takes a team to detain an unwilling person (especially if they're mentally ill or off their tits on drugs) without avoidable injury.
If you lack the experience to know that, then you're really not best placed to comment.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 22:55:36 GMT
That still doesn't explain why it needed 7 of them. If West Yorks Police have enough cops sat around that they can spare 7 to take one drunk girl home then that would suggest that Yorkshire is a haven of peace and tranquility. Do grow up.
I could kill you on my own, probably with one punch, and that's not grandstanding - it's a simple fact.
But if I wanted to restrain you, without injuring you, I'd get 4 mates to grab a limb each while I protected your head.
That's how the police operate, with a few more feet on the ground to keep the idiots at bay.
It's not a playground fight - it takes a team to detain an unwilling person (especially if they're mentally ill or off their tits on drugs) without avoidable injury.
If you lack the experience to know that, then you're really not best placed to comment.
TSM, I've been (Albeit a few years ago) in situations where I had to restrain people who didn't want to be restrained, and without a doubt it was easier with two or three people helping. However, I never had to restrain a 16 year old girl but if I had, I'm confident I wouldn't have needed six people to help me. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 10, 2023 23:25:08 GMT
Probably 4 to hold the girl and a few more to cope with any interference. If someone really doesn’t want to be cuffed and/ or taken where they don’t want to go then there are two options…pain or overkill. This is why the height limit should not have been removed. Police need to have an imposing presence and a six foot 15st copper is obviously going to have a more imposing presence than a 5ft 8st copper, who knew. Self imposed woke and diversity quotas have hobbled the police. Story 1 In the 70s my mate Steve was a hard bastard . 5 coppers tried to arrest him but they couldn’t. He just kept throwing them onto the floor . Eventually enough of them got him on the floor and he was taken to the station . Story 2 In the 60s Southend policeman needed to be 6 ft tall . Sergeant Gosling was notorious for his method of dealing with troublemakers from London. He would first beat then up a bit then take them to Wallasey island . Then he would take their trouser belt and boot laces and dump them there. Story 3. My training in the deadly art of ‘ itchy fanny’ revealed that you cannot put a lock on or subdue someone else without a distraction . The best distraction was to whack them first and out the lock on ….it’s near impossible to subdue someone without either hitting them or sweeping them off of their feet . ( don’t believe the tv programmes where the small female policewoman puts a lock on the bad boy ). My point is that we need coppers who know how to deal with people who don’t won’t to be dealt with and we need a public who is prepared to support them. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 11, 2023 0:17:07 GMT
This is why the height limit should not have been removed. Police need to have an imposing presence and a six foot 15st copper is obviously going to have a more imposing presence than a 5ft 8st copper, who knew. Self imposed woke and diversity quotas have hobbled the police. Story 1 In the 70s my mate Steve was a hard bastard . 5 coppers tried to arrest him but they couldn’t. He just kept throwing them onto the floor . Eventually enough of them got him on the floor and he was taken to the station . Story 2 In the 60s Southend policeman needed to be 6 ft tall . Sergeant Gosling was notorious for his method of dealing with troublemakers from London. He would first beat then up a bit then take them to Wallasey island . Then he would take their trouser belt and boot laces and dump them there. Story 3. My training in the deadly art of ‘ itchy fanny’ revealed that you cannot put a lock on or subdue someone else without a distraction . The best distraction was to whack them first and out the lock on ….it’s near impossible to subdue someone without either hitting them or sweeping them off of their feet . ( don’t believe the tv programmes where the small female policewoman puts a lock on the bad boy ). My point is that we need coppers who know how to deal with people who don’t won’t to be dealt with and we need a public who is prepared to support them. I have one or two stories I wont bore to with, but yes I agree. In my experience the best way to suppress a situation is an immediate show of force, no fucking about go in hard. Anyone who didn't want to play got battered and carted off in plasticuffs. As for coppers, common sense would suggest they need to be big lads. If some thug is faced with a 6ft copper stood over him he is less likely to kick off than if he had a 5ft female PC stood over him. And the thing is, it's obvious and everyone knows it's obvious but sadly it's very unpc to say a 5ft 7st WPC is less capable than a 6ft 15st PC. It's the mad times we're in. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2023 6:22:46 GMT
That still doesn't explain why it needed 7 of them. If West Yorks Police have enough cops sat around that they can spare 7 to take one drunk girl home then that would suggest that Yorkshire is a haven of peace and tranquility. Do grow up.
I could kill you on my own, probably with one punch, and that's not grandstanding - it's a simple fact.
But if I wanted to restrain you, without injuring you, I'd get 4 mates to grab a limb each while I protected your head.
That's how the police operate, with a few more feet on the ground to keep the idiots at bay.
It's not a playground fight - it takes a team to detain an unwilling person (especially if they're mentally ill or off their tits on drugs) without avoidable injury.
If you lack the experience to know that, then you're really not best placed to comment.
7 people to restrain one teenage girl? - surely you jest? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2023 6:25:44 GMT
That still doesn't explain why it needed 7 of them. If West Yorks Police have enough cops sat around that they can spare 7 to take one drunk girl home then that would suggest that Yorkshire is a haven of peace and tranquility. Oh do be fair they can never get it right,how long would most peoples patience last being verbally and physically abused on a daily basis. And I will at this point remind you that you were congratulating the police for arresting completely innocent volunteers who actually work with the police at the behest of senior cops in the early hours of the morning of big ears coronation.  Did it take 7 to arrest every single person? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 7:17:47 GMT
Oh do be fair they can never get it right,how long would most peoples patience last being verbally and physically abused on a daily basis. And I will at this point remind you that you were congratulating the police for arresting completely innocent volunteers who actually work with the police at the behest of senior cops in the early hours of the morning of big ears coronation. Did it take 7 to arrest every single person? Diversion,we’re they innocent |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2023 7:29:34 GMT
Did it take 7 to arrest every single person? Diversion,we’re they innocent a lot of innocent people get arrested - the discussion is about how many Cops it takes to arrest someone. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 8:33:58 GMT
Story 1 In the 70s my mate Steve was a hard bastard . 5 coppers tried to arrest him but they couldn’t. He just kept throwing them onto the floor . Eventually enough of them got him on the floor and he was taken to the station . Story 2 In the 60s Southend policeman needed to be 6 ft tall . Sergeant Gosling was notorious for his method of dealing with troublemakers from London. He would first beat then up a bit then take them to Wallasey island . Then he would take their trouser belt and boot laces and dump them there. Story 3. My training in the deadly art of ‘ itchy fanny’ revealed that you cannot put a lock on or subdue someone else without a distraction . The best distraction was to whack them first and out the lock on ….it’s near impossible to subdue someone without either hitting them or sweeping them off of their feet . ( don’t believe the tv programmes where the small female policewoman puts a lock on the bad boy ). My point is that we need coppers who know how to deal with people who don’t won’t to be dealt with and we need a public who is prepared to support them. I have one or two stories I wont bore to with, but yes I agree. In my experience the best way to suppress a situation is an immediate show of force, no fucking about go in hard. Anyone who didn't want to play got battered and carted off in plasticuffs. As for coppers, common sense would suggest they need to be big lads. If some thug is faced with a 6ft copper stood over him he is less likely to kick off than if he had a 5ft female PC stood over him. And the thing is, it's obvious and everyone knows it's obvious but sadly it's very unpc to say a 5ft 7st WPC is less capable than a 6ft 15st PC. It's the mad times we're in. I think we're all singing off the same hymn sheet: The best way to restrain someone is to knock them out and then restrain them. However, if a copper had punched that 16 year old girl in the face we'd now be having a conversation about "Police brutality". Which is why the police use force of numbers instead. It's society getting the policing it deserves. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 8:45:28 GMT
I have one or two stories I wont bore to with, but yes I agree. In my experience the best way to suppress a situation is an immediate show of force, no fucking about go in hard. Anyone who didn't want to play got battered and carted off in plasticuffs. As for coppers, common sense would suggest they need to be big lads. If some thug is faced with a 6ft copper stood over him he is less likely to kick off than if he had a 5ft female PC stood over him. And the thing is, it's obvious and everyone knows it's obvious but sadly it's very unpc to say a 5ft 7st WPC is less capable than a 6ft 15st PC. It's the mad times we're in. I think we're all singing off the same hymn sheet: The best way to restrain someone is to knock them out and then restrain them. However, if a copper had punched that 16 year old girl in the face we'd now be having a conversation about "Police brutality". Which is why the police use force of numbers instead. It's society getting the policing it deserves. When did anyone vote for that then? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 11, 2023 9:38:32 GMT
I have one or two stories I wont bore to with, but yes I agree. In my experience the best way to suppress a situation is an immediate show of force, no fucking about go in hard. Anyone who didn't want to play got battered and carted off in plasticuffs. As for coppers, common sense would suggest they need to be big lads. If some thug is faced with a 6ft copper stood over him he is less likely to kick off than if he had a 5ft female PC stood over him. And the thing is, it's obvious and everyone knows it's obvious but sadly it's very unpc to say a 5ft 7st WPC is less capable than a 6ft 15st PC. It's the mad times we're in. I think we're all singing off the same hymn sheet: The best way to restrain someone is to knock them out and then restrain them. However, if a copper had punched that 16 year old girl in the face we'd now be having a conversation about "Police brutality". Which is why the police use force of numbers instead. It's society getting the policing it deserves. Indeed. To add to your earlier comment , the girl was more likely to get hurt if two coppers were trying to retrain her than if four , five six or seven coppers did. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 9:46:20 GMT
I think we're all singing off the same hymn sheet: The best way to restrain someone is to knock them out and then restrain them. However, if a copper had punched that 16 year old girl in the face we'd now be having a conversation about "Police brutality". Which is why the police use force of numbers instead. It's society getting the policing it deserves. When did anyone vote for that then? All day, every day as threads like this demonstrate.
For just about every policing situation there will be someone saying that the police went in too hard and someone else saying that they were too soft.
And the police have to tread the line between the two. Or, if you will, "Damned if they do and damned if they don't".
Policing simply reflects our attitudes and opinions so collectively we all voted for it.
Society gets the policing it deserves.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:47:44 GMT
When did anyone vote for that then? All day, every day as threads like this demonstrate.
For just about every policing situation there will be someone saying that the police went in too hard and someone else saying that they were too soft.
And the police have to tread the line between the two. Or, if you will, "Damned if they do and damned if they don't".
Policing simply reflects our attitudes and opinions so collectively we all voted for it.
Society gets the policing it deserves.
Nobody then. They took it upon themselves as a public body. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 11, 2023 9:55:53 GMT
They reflect society's views.
Society gets the policing it deserves.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:57:51 GMT
They reflect society's views. Society gets the policing it deserves. Well according to you they don't actually know what society's views are. Instead they have taken it upon themselves to represent what they think they might be. |
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