20mph speed limits in all built up areas of Wales

So where have you corrected me?

Other than 'wokie, lefty' you post nothing.

There are roads that are obviously unsuitable for 30mph or even 20mph — eg, roads like the residential streets in N16 — but there are others where a 30mph speed limit is not dangerous.

Here a sad story where a 12 year old girl died in a crash:

Leeds dad backs 20mph speed limit after daughter Alice Greenwood killed by racing drivers

Alice Greenwood died in October 2008, after her mum’s car was hit as they drove back to West Yorkshire from a family holiday at Center Parcs.

The other vehicle’s 18-year-old driver, who himself died in the collision alongside his 16 year-old passenger, had been part of a convoy of cars racing each other along the A52 in Derbyshire. Four teenagers were jailed for causing death by careless driving the following year.

Mr Greenwood hit out at Westminster politicians, who he believes are ignoring road safety, but praised the council for “taking it seriously now”, after years of struggling to get his message across.

And he urged local authorities everywhere to follow Wales’ lead in cutting speed limits to 20mph, which has been criticised in some quarters.

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The problem is that there’s no reason to believe that the “racing drivers” would have respected 20mph limits any more than they respected existing limits, or that Mr Greenwood’s daughter would have been spared if the car she was travelling in was also subject to a 20mph limit.

Stricter application of the Highway Code for all road users, and more disqualifications and other penalties for careless and dangerous driving seem the sensible way forward — but such procedures cost more to implement than painting on roads and putting up signs and erecting revenue-collecting cameras…

I agree with a lot of what you say but take umbrage with the 'revenue' collecting cameras.

Traffic cameras whether speed or lights are an essential part of road safety. The only people that moan about them are those that habitually break the law.

I was fined once for speeding, 35 in a 30 zone but have never broke the speed limit since.

I learned to us my speed limiter economically and stop at an amber light.

Well that will be a first, you learning anything.

Have you never learned a lesson, bet you have.

You phrase 'unwary' says it all.

If a driver is unaware of the speed limit they should not be driving.

If they know the speed limit and fail to drive within the law they deserve punishment.

If the only drive within the speed limit when there are cameras present they should be banned from driving for life.

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This is not about 'good driver training' we should all have had that but about drivers breaking the law.

It does not matter whether you can see a camera or not, drivers know the speed limit on the road they are driving on and should obey the law, it really is that simple.

Are you really saying that 'a law is only a law if you are caught breaking it'? Ridiculous.

Drivers who drive within the speed limit very, very rarely get fined and if the do they can appeal it.