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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 16:35:37 GMT
May I ask how old you are Jeger.
Guy Fawkes used to be an event looked forward to for months and the highlight of the autumn months. It is a pale imitation now - overshadowed by Halloween which unfortunately falls a few days before.
I think that is a shame.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 16:39:41 GMT
May I ask how old you are Jeger. Guy Fawkes used to be an event looked forward to for months and the highlight of the autumn months. It is a pale imitation now - overshadowed by Halloween which unfortunately falls a few days before. I think that is a shame. i already replied to that. what decline? guy fawkes night is as big as its ever been absolutely stacks of public bonfire nights held across the land and countless private houses letting fireworks off left right and centre |
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 17:25:05 GMT
With respect Je-ger I disagree with you. I don't think Guy Fawkes is anywhere near as big an event as it used to be say 50 years ago - mainly down to Halloween but not helped by health and safety (albeit probably necessary) which means that the bonfire is usually a distant glow from several fields away whereas in the good old days you could feel your eyebrows being burned off and access to the site would be by following the entire village by flickering torchlight down some unlit rocky, narrow footpath to a farmers field invariably on a cold frosty night with kids spending the pennies they have earned from their homemade guys on a warm mug of hearty soup. Happy memories, some of which may even be accurate.
Probably not something to fall out over though. Perhaps we should just disagree on this one.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 17:48:42 GMT
With respect Je-ger I disagree with you. I don't think Guy Fawkes is anywhere near as big an event as it used to be say 50 years ago - mainly down to Halloween but not helped by health and safety (albeit probably necessary) which means that the bonfire is usually a distant glow from several fields away whereas in the good old days you could feel your eyebrows being burned off and access to the site would be by following the entire village by flickering torchlight down some unlit rocky, narrow footpath to a farmers field invariably on a cold frosty night with kids spending the pennies they have earned from their homemade guys on a warm mug of hearty soup. Happy memories, some of which may even be accurate. Probably not something to fall out over though. Perhaps we should just disagree on this one. dunno where you live but where i live fireworks activity is huge, and is the same level as it has ever been in my lifetime loads of places sell them, people set up special shops just for them, houses everywhere let them off. round my way i have had the choice of half a dozen organised events and have been going to them every year the sky is full of fireworks and the same applies to previous places i have lived in fact, there are so many fireworks going off the complaint is there is too many and it should be regulated to organised events only as stacks of domestic and wild animals suffer none of which has anything to do with halloween going on. both events are as popular as each other |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 14, 2022 18:05:25 GMT
When was the last time anyone was accosted by kids demanding a penny for the Guy?
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 18:15:06 GMT
When was the last time anyone was accosted by kids demanding a penny for the Guy? That wasnt a thing when i was a kid in the 80s |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 14, 2022 18:18:06 GMT
When was the last time anyone was accosted by kids demanding a penny for the Guy? That wasnt a thing when i was a kid in the 80s I can remember them in the 70s |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 14, 2022 18:49:11 GMT
When was the last time anyone was accosted by kids demanding a penny for the Guy? I'm not a kid but I still take an 80 year old pushchair out with a Guy in it, it's better now they've done away with the half pence coin though it's plain that some held on to them. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2022 19:02:51 GMT
Note to Mods: Thread nettoytage urgently required.
TIA DD
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 19:10:41 GMT
Note to Mods: Thread nettoytage urgently required. TIA DD 0ne of the mods has been involved in the guy fawkes conversation i guess you are referring to  meanwhile, i sent you several on-topic counter points you have not addressed yet  |
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Post by Orac on Nov 14, 2022 19:23:47 GMT
Since when were any of us discussing tourists? Your reply does not respond to my point. Nobody mentioned tourists until i did. I used a small number of tourists as an example to illustrate the notion that it is a matter of degree. |
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 19:28:21 GMT
Since when were any of us discussing tourists? Your reply does not respond to my point. Nobody mentioned tourists until i did. I used a small number of tourists as an example to illustrate the notion that it is a matter of degree. Yes, but that is a false premise in the argument. As the discussion has nothing to do with people who visit countries on holiday, it is about immigrants who settle and live in other countries. Besides which, as i said several times in my last post, a consistent principle should not be contingent upon things like 'degrees' (see my last posts for elaboration) |
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Post by Orac on Nov 14, 2022 19:45:25 GMT
Yes, but that is a false premise in the argument. It's not a false premise, it's my attempt at illustrating the notion of degrees - If 100 tourists visit Paris in a year, that isn't a significant threat to French culture If 1000 Brits settled in France over a century, that isn't a significant threat to French culture If 30,000,000 Brits settled in France in a year, that is a significant threat to French culture. Tell me where you disagree |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 14, 2022 19:46:26 GMT
Note to Mods: Thread nettoytage urgently required. TIA DD 0ne of the mods has been involved in the guy fawkes conversation i guess you are referring to meanwhile, i sent you several on-topic counter points you have not addressed yet The thread is about British culture disappearing, I don't see how traditions changing from Guy Fawkes to Trick or Treat is off topic. |
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 19:48:47 GMT
Yes, but that is a false premise in the argument. It's not a false premise, it's my attempt at illustrating the notion of degrees - If 100 tourists visit Paris in a year, that isn't a significant threat to French culture If 1000 Brits settled in France over a century, that isn't a significant threat to French culture If 30,000,000 Brits settled in France in a year, that is a significant threat to French culture. Tell me where you disagree I literally just covered it in my last posts. And the ones before. The bit about consistent principle. AKA, the concept of 'degrees' is not even relevant to principle of the point i was writing about. See my earlier posts for elaboration |
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