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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 14:24:09 GMT
Would you apply the same rules to British ex-pats living in say France, Dan? No. British expats anywhere are unlikely to outnumber the natives or to vie for political control, both of which are likely future developments in the UK.
Least of all in France, where the last I heard the average age of resident Brits is 68 and their tfr is effectively zero.
European expats in France hold few dangers for the French nation, which is not something that could be confidently said about its ex-colonial population from the Maghreb, Sub-Saharan Africa and Indo-China. The French solution of course is to pretend they're as French as they are to the extent that the state does not even want to know how many are actually there are and what their breeding patterns are like.
At least the Brits will get to see what's confronting them when the next batch of census data is released. How many actually get the message is of course another matter entirely.
Yet, surely following your own logic, your reply to the question of whether French culture be protected against the influence of British immigrants falls foul of your own earlier complaint. Which was you complained that there is no system and practice in Britain that actively protects Britain from loss of its own culture thru the active means of protecting British cultural values, as described the likes of Roger Scruton. And this situation came about because of a kind of sleep walking apathy of the British people in allowing the take over by foreign cultures. Yet, according to yourself, no such system is required in France to protect them against foreign cultures. Because, according to you, this system to protect native culture is only required if the demographics of foreign culture are high. Yet, surely that is an example of the very apathetic attitude you speak of? Surely if you believe in nations running proactive systems and practices of protecting native cultures and preventing foreign ones from taking precedence, then you have to have that instituted in the first instance the minute any nation starts to take in peoples of foreign culture? Instead of waiting decades for the numbers to get too high before its too late because the horse has already bolted? So in Britain you complain that we ignored the problem too long allowing foreign cultural demographics to take hold, but in France, you can turn a blind eye to an example of the same sort of foreign cultural demographic, because the numbers are too small to worry about. Now,which one is it Dan, as this is a contradiction. Surely the principle of having cultural protection practices is all, regardless of immaterial considerations such as demographic levels? |
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Post by Tinculin on Nov 14, 2022 14:35:53 GMT
He hasn't reported you but tone it back and attack the argument not the person. Thanks. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 14:42:30 GMT
Of course Tinculin.
You don't think it is appropriate to question whether Dan's suggestion that foreigners living in the UK "steals Uk culture" but that he living in France as a foreigner does not is just a tad hypocritical?
Or to question whether that the fact that he seems sanguine about white foreigners living in France but less so about black foreigners living in the UK may be driven more by Dan's racist attitudes than substance?
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2022 15:00:37 GMT
If you'd troubled to read the OP and the links included there you would have seen that the culprits responsible for the theft of our culture were not, originally, thought to be foreigners living in the UK. That's an inflection you have chosen to place on the question.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 15:09:47 GMT
If you'd troubled to read the OP and the links included there you would have seen that the culprits responsible for the theft of our culture were not, originally, thought to be foreigners living in the UK. That's an inflection you have chosen to place on the question. Which reinforces the point that if one is to have an instituted system and practice of indigenous cultural protection against foreign cultures, including protection from domestic forces whom may wish to facilitate the foothold of foreign cultures, then this system is instituted consistently, regardless of where the foreign culture comes from and the demographic levels involved? Otherwise, what is the point? Surely such a system should be proactive and preventive, and excuses such as 'well, there aren't many foreigners anyway', should be the sort of indifference that should be rejected? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2022 15:12:59 GMT
@jeg er:
The fundamental answer to your question is that multiculturalism has never been adopted by the French state or, by general agreement, its native population, as a solution to the challenges posed by a multiracial society.
Consequently, the French have been able to put in place a wide range of defences to deter would-be cultural assaults from whatever source. The biggest menace from their perspective is the USA and the American language and they have erected a numbers of barriers intended to keep that threat at bay.
By the same token, in preserving the fiction that their ex-colonial subjects and their descendants who have settled in France are all 'Frenchmen-in-training' whose claims for quotas and targets can be safely ignored, they have been able to avoid the dilution of the native culture thought in the UK to be necessary in the interests of 'fairness and inclusivity'.
An example of such dilution is the ethnic quotas for BBC television, something which is unheard of in France as a few hours watching TF1 will clearly show.
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Post by Orac on Nov 14, 2022 15:14:43 GMT
Otherwise, what is the point? Surely such a system should be proactive and preventive, and excuses such as 'well, there aren't many foreigners anyway', should be the sort of indifference that should be rejected? such a system would have to evaluate if there were any sensible prospect of a threat. 100 Japanese tourists in Paris clearly don't represent a threat to French society, while ten million Japanese people living in Paris, probably do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 15:19:52 GMT
To be quite cold-blooded about this issue, Dan is not wrong, neither is he promoting race hatred. It is simply a fact that whites are destroying themselves and seemingly enjoying every moment of this rather bizarre event in history. It must surely be the first of its kind as never have any humans been this incredibly dumb as to deliberately sacrifice themselves to an idea that is likely to kill them off.
But, again Dan is right here, the future statistics will show what has happened. And once it has happened there will be no return. This is just a fact. White people are being led into self destruction.Black people are being used to get this done. People are being split into two factions on this account and one can add the horrific gender mutilations of the early 21st century into this and the utter madness of late stage feminism that is completely off its trolley. It's a sad thing to witness and quite a scary thing to be in the midst of. Drugs, alcohol (as the Baron mentioned) and ideological brainwashing, political indoctrination, moral supremacy training and all the garbage that goes with this is going to produce nothing but a generation of mindless establishment serfs who could quite believably be used in the future to fight the rest of us.
If you want to see it in action at present, look no further than the debacle of The Ukraine and the lunatic support it is getting from every Tom, Dork and Harriet even though it has nothing to do with them and is highly likely to start a global conflagration. Besides the fact that it is going to cause them to freeze to death this winter.
It's clown world on steroids and it isn't going to go away without a fight.
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Post by Paulus de B on Nov 14, 2022 15:33:58 GMT
Yet, surely following your own logic, your reply to the question of whether French culture be protected against the influence of British immigrants falls foul of your own earlier complaint. Which was you complained that there is no system and practice in Britain that actively protects Britain from loss of its own culture thru the active means of protecting British cultural values, as described the likes of Roger Scruton. And this situation came about because of a kind of sleep walking apathy of the British people in allowing the take over by foreign cultures. Yet, according to yourself, no such system is required in France to protect them against foreign cultures. Because, according to you, this system to protect native culture is only required if the demographics of foreign culture are high. Yet, surely that is an example of the very apathetic attitude you speak of? Surely if you believe in nations running proactive systems and practices of protecting native cultures and preventing foreign ones from taking precedence, then you have to have that instituted in the first instance the minute any nation starts to take in peoples of foreign culture? Instead of waiting decades for the numbers to get too high before its too late because the horse has already bolted? So in Britain you complain that we ignored the problem too long allowing foreign cultural demographics to take hold, but in France, you can turn a blind eye to an example of the same sort of foreign cultural demographic, because the numbers are too small to worry about. Now,which one is it Dan, as this is a contradiction. Surely the principle of having cultural protection practices is all, regardless of immaterial considerations such as demographic levels? The French may see their culture as being undermined by the British because the global culture into which other cultures are gradually merging is itself anglophone. It makes cultural dissolution more evident from the non-English-speaking perspective. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 14, 2022 15:37:38 GMT
The biggest risk to British culture doesn't come from immigration it comes from the US.
There were no such things as prom nights when I went to school, there were school discos.
We didn't trick or treat and go to parties dressed as slutty cats.
How long before we start having Thanksgiving turkey and letting off fireworks on July 4th?
While we are on the subject of turkey, the traditional Christmas lunch is goose not turkey as anyone who has read A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens will tell you.
We aren't eating lamb tagine with couscous we are copying American culture and watching It's a Wonderful life with a can of Bud in our obese hands.
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Post by Paulus de B on Nov 14, 2022 15:40:57 GMT
The biggest risk to British culture doesn't come from immigration it comes from the US. There were no such things as prom nights when I went to school, there were school discos. We didn't trick or treat and go to parties dressed as slutty cats. How long before we start having Thanksgiving turkey and letting off fireworks on July 4th? While we are on the subject of turkey, the traditional Christmas lunch is goose not turkey as anyone who has read A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens will tell you. We aren't eating lamb tagine with couscous we are copying American culture and watching It's a Wonderful life with a can of Bud in our obese hands. And how come we're being urged to "step up to the plate"? Didn't we used to step up to the crease? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 14, 2022 15:42:24 GMT
I agree Montegriffo.
Halloween's rise and Guy Fawkes's decline is a particularly bugbear of mine as is pretending that US football is anything other than an utterly tedious and ridiculously long alternative to football or rugby.
Have to say though, your "slutty cat" outfit in your avatar picture is very convincing......
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 16:31:30 GMT
Otherwise, what is the point? Surely such a system should be proactive and preventive, and excuses such as 'well, there aren't many foreigners anyway', should be the sort of indifference that should be rejected? such a system would have to evaluate if there were any sensible prospect of a threat. 100 Japanese tourists in Paris clearly don't represent a threat to French society, while ten million Japanese people living in Paris, probably do. Since when were any of us discussing tourists? Your reply does not respond to my point. Either you value the principle of a cultural protection system or you do not? Surely it is a matter of consistent, not contingent, principle? This is how all principles work, no? So how come foreign Brit immigrants to France do not count toward the protection of a native culture, but other types of immigrants to Britain do? At what point do we say 'numbers too big now, start the protection model'? I thought the whole point of the argument was to guard against complacency? To act before the culture is under threat and the job of arresting the decline is too difficult? Maybe you can square this circle by Dan, Mags? As Dan appears to have elected to not respond to this contradiction in his argument |
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 16:32:45 GMT
I agree Montegriffo. Halloween's rise and Guy Fawkes's decline is a particularly bugbear of mine as is pretending that US football is anything other than an utterly tedious and ridiculously long alternative to football or rugby. Have to say though, your "slutty cat" outfit in your avatar picture is very convincing...... what guy fawkes decline? it is big as it has ever been |
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Post by jeg er on Nov 14, 2022 16:34:13 GMT
Yet, surely following your own logic, your reply to the question of whether French culture be protected against the influence of British immigrants falls foul of your own earlier complaint. Which was you complained that there is no system and practice in Britain that actively protects Britain from loss of its own culture thru the active means of protecting British cultural values, as described the likes of Roger Scruton. And this situation came about because of a kind of sleep walking apathy of the British people in allowing the take over by foreign cultures. Yet, according to yourself, no such system is required in France to protect them against foreign cultures. Because, according to you, this system to protect native culture is only required if the demographics of foreign culture are high. Yet, surely that is an example of the very apathetic attitude you speak of? Surely if you believe in nations running proactive systems and practices of protecting native cultures and preventing foreign ones from taking precedence, then you have to have that instituted in the first instance the minute any nation starts to take in peoples of foreign culture? Instead of waiting decades for the numbers to get too high before its too late because the horse has already bolted? So in Britain you complain that we ignored the problem too long allowing foreign cultural demographics to take hold, but in France, you can turn a blind eye to an example of the same sort of foreign cultural demographic, because the numbers are too small to worry about. Now,which one is it Dan, as this is a contradiction. Surely the principle of having cultural protection practices is all, regardless of immaterial considerations such as demographic levels? The French may see their culture as being undermined by the British because the global culture into which other cultures are gradually merging is itself anglophone. It makes cultural dissolution more evident from the non-English-speaking perspective. Beside the point made |
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