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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2022 23:35:11 GMT
Lets run through this one. Here is an intro. She's one of those champagne socialists and serious troublemaker.
It was one of the Marxist goals - to destroy the Christian church - the very thing that built western society.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 6:23:45 GMT
Western civilization was built on the classical model and the classical model was Pagan. Christianity merely usurped what already existed and the monks studied the classical works in their monasteries because that was the only place these texts were able to exist. Christianity was a fascist creed built on a small Jewish reformist following. It has nothing to do with the west but has rotted its mindset for 2,000 years. It destroyed anything else we may have become and has caused the revolt of millions and the utter chaos that now exists as we are, once again, gripped by the fascination of foreign beliefs, or some new creed that stands every other on its head.
It is time we took control of this in ourselves and parted ways with what is not part of us. Said goodbye to the tragic figure bleeding on a cross who had been abandoned by his father and his people and returned to our own ways of thinking and doing. Most of what is good about Christianity is, in fact, our own thinking and doing but we were never allowed to believe this. We had to have a wrapper for it and that wrapper caused half the world to worship something that belonged to someone else and caused us to see that someone else as holy and incapable of criticism. And we still do and until we stop this we will always be in thrall to the fear this has instilled in us.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 13, 2022 7:21:14 GMT
Western civilization was built on the classical model and the classical model was Pagan. Christianity merely usurped what already existed and the monks studied the classical works in their monasteries because that was the only place these texts were able to exist. Christianity was a fascist creed built on a small Jewish reformist following. It has nothing to do with the west but has rotted its mindset for 2,000 years. It destroyed anything else we may have become and has caused the revolt of millions and the utter chaos that now exists as we are, once again, gripped by the fascination of foreign beliefs, or some new creed that stands every other on its head. It is time we took control of this in ourselves and parted ways with what is not part of us. Said goodbye to the tragic figure bleeding on a cross who had been abandoned by his father and his people and returned to our own ways of thinking and doing. Most of what is good about Christianity is, in fact, our own thinking and doing but we were never allowed to believe this. We had to have a wrapper for it and that wrapper caused half the world to worship something that belonged to someone else and caused us to see that someone else as holy and incapable of criticism. And we still do and until we stop this we will always be in thrall to the fear this has instilled in us. Religion always usurps previous religions. Before Abraham Judaism didn't exist, the precursor being Persian Zoroastrianism which itself adopted some of the Hindu religion. Even the clothing worn by priests of the Christian, Jewish and Islam faith have resemblance to the Zoroastrian faith. Add to that the numerous instances of religions supplanting their own events on Pagan dates and the Church of Rome building early churches on the sites of Roman temples merely shows the duplicity of religion. Await the upheaval as Iran returns to Zoroastrianism, it's more than a faint possibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 8:01:42 GMT
Here's hoping ...
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 13, 2022 8:08:01 GMT
It's a clown world on here. I raised a serious issue and straight after three children reproduced that spam image to lower the quality of debate to primary school levels of intellect where they feel comfortable arguing. History of UK power structures is way above the pleb mind.
I was uncomfortable with the posting of the image and felt that it possibly violated the enhanced T&C's of this section of the board. In light of your post I have removed the subject posts and remind everyone that this section will be moderated to a higher standard than the rest of the board. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 8:50:37 GMT
I didn't see any of that but thank you for attempting to stop standards from slipping. They will hate you for it, but you won't be wrong.
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Post by colbops on Nov 13, 2022 11:21:28 GMT
It's a clown world on here. I raised a serious issue and straight after three children reproduced that spam image to lower the quality of debate to primary school levels of intellect where they feel comfortable arguing. History of UK power structures is way above the pleb mind.
I was uncomfortable with the posting of the image and felt that it possibly violated the enhanced T&C's of this section of the board. In light of your post I have removed the subject posts and remind everyone that this section will be moderated to a higher standard than the rest of the board. I call shenanigans! What happens now Tinculin Montegriffo Pacifico Cartertonian Orac ? The thread was progressing quite nicely until Baron von Lotsov waded in with this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16110 ,which was nothing more than a bunch of questionable opinion about secret societies, communists and Jews passed off as fact. (AR5 Breach) Then he doubled down on the passing off his opinion as fact with this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16176 (AR5 Breach) Then when asked to reveal the sources to which he refers he posts ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16182 - (AR1, AR2, AR3 and AR5 Breach) Next bentley chips in with An AR4 breach ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16222BvL latches onto the AR4 breach ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16222 giving us an AR5 breach in the process. With the thread well and truly diverted onto the topic of individualism BvL gives us this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16310 (AR3 and AR5 breach) Then, after a few pages of the individualism divert, BvL randomly posts up ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16881 - a cut and paste with absolutely no commentary to explain why he is posting it (AR4 breach) Then, after everyone (except me) ignored BvLs post and discussed the post Pacifico edited , including another mod by the way ( Orac ) BvL whines that no-one is discussing his post (why would they - it was just a cut and paste with no commentary to discuss) , Pacifico goes back and edits the valid post which had a valid commentary on the erosion of culture with an example incorporating the source and the image from that source. Shenanigans Not only was a valid post edited, in the process it was edited off the back of this post ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17283 , which was nothing more than an ad hom attack against buccaneer colbops and Orac . (AR1 and AR3 breach) To be fair Orac 's post was a AR2 breach but there was no need for an ad hom attack over that. Oh and then to round off after BvLs disappointment that no-one was engaging with his post I tried again to establish why he'd posted it. In response we got ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17513 - another AR1 and AR3 breach How can any mod edit a post off the back of a 'not sure if it breaches the ARs' while not editing the post that caused them to do so when it is a black and white, blatant violation of the ARs involving an ad hom aimed at two members and a fellow mod. Shenanigans I tell ya. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 11:36:43 GMT
Western civilization was built on the classical model and the classical model was Pagan. Christianity merely usurped what already existed. It didn't actually. It extended it. Logic in the classical world was Aristotle. By the 11th century we had the equivalent of 20th century logic. Much was forgotten and reintroduced by Frege and others who followed him. The monks and philosophers of the time married the classical knowledge with the biblical knowledge. They rationalised the bible.
Anyway, I know you hate Christianity and your hate of it is really rather off-topic. The point of mentioning it here is to show how woke emerged. Woke is a latter day Marxism, like Marxism plus with more sophisticated lying. The bold is me(BvL). The formatting had screwed up. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2022 12:19:08 GMT
It's a clown world on here. I raised a serious issue and straight after three children reproduced that spam image to lower the quality of debate to primary school levels of intellect where they feel comfortable arguing. History of UK power structures is way above the pleb mind. Baron - just to let you know, In the mind zone, you are not supposed to attack other posters (ie call them children etc). If you think someone's post is unsuitable for the discussion, you should raise it with the mods, rather than pursue that opinion in the thread itself. We are still finding our feet with how these rules should work..we will do our best. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 12:21:31 GMT
Here is another strand of influence - anarchism. London(Russian) again and at the same time of the Hampstead Historical Club (1884). |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 12:50:14 GMT
It's a clown world on here. I raised a serious issue and straight after three children reproduced that spam image to lower the quality of debate to primary school levels of intellect where they feel comfortable arguing. History of UK power structures is way above the pleb mind. Baron - just to let you know, In the mind zone, you are not supposed to attack other posters (ie call them children etc). If you think someone's post is unsuitable for the discussion, you should raise it with the mods, rather than pursue that opinion in the thread itself. We are still finding our feet with how these rules should work..we will do our best. Apologies for that. It's a habit I've fallen into as reported personal attacks on the last forum were universally ignored. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 12:55:48 GMT
Incidentally, I don't hate Christianity as I was brought up Christian. However I ejected it. But I do know it well, in its various denominations. It has tortured people, hanged them, drowned them, burned them alive, smashed their castles and cathedrals, created division in its own ranks, accused innocent people of evil and practised racism, moral supremacy and stolen the creed of the Hebrews to suit itself. There is actually plenty to hate about it, but not to hate individuals themselves who were the victims of it. Same with Islam.
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2022 13:13:03 GMT
MODERATOR COMMENT.
I have removed one of Baron's posts which contained very direct language. It was a short post
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Post by colbops on Nov 13, 2022 13:33:38 GMT
MODERATOR COMMENT.I have removed one of Baron's posts which contained very direct language. It was a short post And these ones get to stay? surely not! ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17513ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17516/Virtually every post in the thread breaches one or more of the ARs imposed for the section - I've gone through each post and tagged the applicable AR they breach. The exam question is are we all lost causes, or are the ARs unworkable? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2022 13:47:02 GMT
My view is that the vast majority of the posts in the thread are fine. The two you highlight here are technical breaches, but in my view further deletions from the thread are unnecessary and just need a mod comment (here it is).
We can draw a line in the sand - Please do not insult or attack other posters in Mind-Zone Threads, instead focus on other poster's positions.
The moderators will likely discuss the viability of the rules, but any set of rules is going to need good will.
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