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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 13:51:36 GMT
Incidentally, I don't hate Christianity as I was brought up Christian. However I ejected it. But I do know it well, in its various denominations. It has tortured people, hanged them, drowned them, burned them alive, smashed their castles and cathedrals, created division in its own ranks, accused innocent people of evil and practised racism, moral supremacy and stolen the creed of the Hebrews to suit itself. There is actually plenty to hate about it, but not to hate individuals themselves who were the victims of it. Same with Islam. If we go back to around 1860 time there were two different types of so called Christians. The best way I can illustrate this to you is with the Chinese emperors. During this time the emperors of China were extremely rich. They had this summer palace and in it were these carved heads, regard as very special. They were commissioned by the emperor from a group of missionaries from Britain who were living there. The emperor wanted an example of Western art in the palatial garden, the Christian missionaries were highly talented and they cut a deal resulting in both being happy. This kind of calm considerate behaviour is what a true Christian does. The effect of this was to make the emperor, through his enjoyment of the art they had provided, think favourably of the UK because he had had good experiences. Then there is the other type. This is the military Christian. They fight wars in the name of god and as such are vile hypocrites. They later on turned up and burnt it all down. What you see is the wolf in sheep's clothing. We see this so much today with our chastities. Some of the most evil dictators in this country are registered charities, and the radio today was selling royal pride. It is this pride which manifests the evil which causes fire and death. A bus passes me the other day with a huge banner ad 'Being good is boring, being bad is much more fun'. In Victorian Britain we had on the one hand a kind of godly innocence. People tried to do the right thing, but all along were these secret Marxist sects aiming to destroy the culture and to replace it with repression of the soul. The Avant-Garde movement in art was 1890ish through to the WW1 time. We see a lot of this dehumanising agenda in that. Iconoclasm was a feature . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 15:09:12 GMT
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I was uncomfortable with the posting of the image and felt that it possibly violated the enhanced T&C's of this section of the board. In light of your post I have removed the subject posts and remind everyone that this section will be moderated to a higher standard than the rest of the board. I call shenanigans! What happens now Tinculin Montegriffo Pacifico Cartertonian Orac ? The thread was progressing quite nicely until Baron von Lotsov waded in with this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16110 ,which was nothing more than a bunch of questionable opinion about secret societies, communists and Jews passed off as fact. (AR5 Breach) Then he doubled down on the passing off his opinion as fact with this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16176 (AR5 Breach) Then when asked to reveal the sources to which he refers he posts ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16182 - (AR1, AR2, AR3 and AR5 Breach) Next bentley chips in with An AR4 breach ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16222BvL latches onto the AR4 breach ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16222 giving us an AR5 breach in the process. With the thread well and truly diverted onto the topic of individualism BvL gives us this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16310 (AR3 and AR5 breach) Then, after a few pages of the individualism divert, BvL randomly posts up ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16881 - a cut and paste with absolutely no commentary to explain why he is posting it (AR4 breach) Then, after everyone (except me) ignored BvLs post and discussed the post Pacifico edited , including another mod by the way ( Orac ) BvL whines that no-one is discussing his post (why would they - it was just a cut and paste with no commentary to discuss) , Pacifico goes back and edits the valid post which had a valid commentary on the erosion of culture with an example incorporating the source and the image from that source. Shenanigans Not only was a valid post edited, in the process it was edited off the back of this post ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17283 , which was nothing more than an ad hom attack against buccaneer colbops and Orac . (AR1 and AR3 breach) To be fair Orac 's post was a AR2 breach but there was no need for an ad hom attack over that. Oh and then to round off after BvLs disappointment that no-one was engaging with his post I tried again to establish why he'd posted it. In response we got ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17513 - another AR1 and AR3 breach How can any mod edit a post off the back of a 'not sure if it breaches the ARs' while not editing the post that caused them to do so when it is a black and white, blatant violation of the ARs involving an ad hom aimed at two members and a fellow mod. Shenanigans I tell ya. Since when is “Hyper individualism is a term that I recently read. The concept of everyone’s interpretation of reality being as valid as any other. Tbh I see the seeds if it in the 60s .” a rule breach ? Maybe you should leave me out of your spats with moderators. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 16:56:22 GMT
I call shenanigans! What happens now Tinculin Montegriffo Pacifico Cartertonian Orac ? The thread was progressing quite nicely until Baron von Lotsov waded in with this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16110 ,which was nothing more than a bunch of questionable opinion about secret societies, communists and Jews passed off as fact. (AR5 Breach) Then he doubled down on the passing off his opinion as fact with this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16176 (AR5 Breach) Then when asked to reveal the sources to which he refers he posts ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16182 - (AR1, AR2, AR3 and AR5 Breach) Next bentley chips in with An AR4 breach ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16222BvL latches onto the AR4 breach ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16222 giving us an AR5 breach in the process. With the thread well and truly diverted onto the topic of individualism BvL gives us this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16310 (AR3 and AR5 breach) Then, after a few pages of the individualism divert, BvL randomly posts up ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/16881 - a cut and paste with absolutely no commentary to explain why he is posting it (AR4 breach) Then, after everyone (except me) ignored BvLs post and discussed the post Pacifico edited , including another mod by the way ( Orac ) BvL whines that no-one is discussing his post (why would they - it was just a cut and paste with no commentary to discuss) , Pacifico goes back and edits the valid post which had a valid commentary on the erosion of culture with an example incorporating the source and the image from that source. Shenanigans Not only was a valid post edited, in the process it was edited off the back of this post ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17283 , which was nothing more than an ad hom attack against buccaneer colbops and Orac . (AR1 and AR3 breach) To be fair Orac 's post was a AR2 breach but there was no need for an ad hom attack over that. Oh and then to round off after BvLs disappointment that no-one was engaging with his post I tried again to establish why he'd posted it. In response we got ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17513 - another AR1 and AR3 breach How can any mod edit a post off the back of a 'not sure if it breaches the ARs' while not editing the post that caused them to do so when it is a black and white, blatant violation of the ARs involving an ad hom aimed at two members and a fellow mod. Shenanigans I tell ya. Since when is “Hyper individualism is a term that I recently read. The concept of everyone’s interpretation of reality being as valid as any other. Tbh I see the seeds if it in the 60s .” a rule breach ? Maybe you should leave me out of your spats with moderators. You have not been following what I was pointing out earlier. Individualism is not from the 1960s. It is from the end of the last 19th century and connected to anarcho-Marxism. It was an affiliate group of the wider Marxism. The links i provide give you a comprehensive description. You can trace it back further to the French Revolution and people like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Firast you get the philosophers, then the small secret groups of pioneers, and eventually the mass movement. It was already all figured out by the 1960s and besides the 60s was piloted in the 50s by guess who? A Brit - lol. All roads lead to London. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 17:02:48 GMT
Since when is “Hyper individualism is a term that I recently read. The concept of everyone’s interpretation of reality being as valid as any other. Tbh I see the seeds if it in the 60s .” a rule breach ? Maybe you should leave me out of your spats with moderators. You have not been following what I was pointing out earlier. Individualism is not from the 1960s. It is from the end of the last 19th century and connected to anarcho-anarchism. It was an affiliate group of the wider Marxism. The links i provide give you a comprehensive description. You can trace it back further to the French Revolution and people like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Firast you get the philosophers, then the small secret groups of pioneers, and eventually the mass movement. It was already all figured out by the 1960s and besides the 60s was piloted in the 50s by guess who? A Brit - lol. All roads lead to London. And you haven’t been following the post . I didn’t repeat it for your benefit . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 18:29:37 GMT
You have not been following what I was pointing out earlier. Individualism is not from the 1960s. It is from the end of the last 19th century and connected to anarcho-anarchism. It was an affiliate group of the wider Marxism. The links i provide give you a comprehensive description. You can trace it back further to the French Revolution and people like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Firast you get the philosophers, then the small secret groups of pioneers, and eventually the mass movement. It was already all figured out by the 1960s and besides the 60s was piloted in the 50s by guess who? A Brit - lol. All roads lead to London. And you haven’t been following the post . I didn’t repeat it for your benefit . Forget I posted that to you. I was hoping you were interested in the thread. I'll discuss it with someone else maybe if there is anyone left with a brain. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 18:36:09 GMT
And you haven’t been following the post . I didn’t repeat it for your benefit . Forget I posted that to you. I was hoping you were interested in the thread. I'll discuss it with someone else maybe if there is anyone left with a brain. If there is,then they probably won’t be interested in you . |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 13, 2022 19:03:17 GMT
MODERATOR COMMENT.I have removed one of Baron's posts which contained very direct language. It was a short post And these ones get to stay? surely not! ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17513ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/17516/Virtually every post in the thread breaches one or more of the ARs imposed for the section - I've gone through each post and tagged the applicable AR they breach. The exam question is are we all lost causes, or are the ARs unworkable? Look - we started this section at the request of the members who requested somewhere that was more strictly moderated. If all we are going to get when we do moderate the thread is 'ah but this post or that post is just as bad' then it will simply become unworkable. If posters want the 'freedom' to post almost anything then there is the rest of the forum to contribute to - but here you are expected to restrict your posts somewhat. To make this section work needs acceptance from the members - otherwise we are simply wasting our time. |
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Post by Equivocal on Nov 13, 2022 19:43:53 GMT
Back on topic: for those who believe our culture has been stolen and what remains is a debased facsimile, the answer is undoubtedly a commune in Royal Tonbridge Wells with a subscription to Basildon Bond.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2022 21:25:50 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Nov 13, 2022 21:45:30 GMT
Incidentally, I don't hate Christianity as I was brought up Christian. However I ejected it. But I do know it well, in its various denominations. It has tortured people, hanged them, drowned them, burned them alive, smashed their castles and cathedrals, created division in its own ranks, accused innocent people of evil and practised racism, moral supremacy and stolen the creed of the Hebrews to suit itself. There is actually plenty to hate about it, but not to hate individuals themselves who were the victims of it. Same with Islam. If we go back to around 1860 time there were two different types of so called Christians. The best way I can illustrate this to you is with the Chinese emperors. During this time the emperors of China were extremely rich. They had this summer palace and in it were these carved heads, regard as very special. They were commissioned by the emperor from a group of missionaries from Britain who were living there. The emperor wanted an example of Western art in the palatial garden, the Christian missionaries were highly talented and they cut a deal resulting in both being happy. This kind of calm considerate behaviour is what a true Christian does. The effect of this was to make the emperor, through his enjoyment of the art they had provided, think favourably of the UK because he had had good experiences. Then there is the other type. This is the military Christian. They fight wars in the name of god and as such are vile hypocrites. They later on turned up and burnt it all down. What you see is the wolf in sheep's clothing. We see this so much today with our chastities. Some of the most evil dictators in this country are registered charities, and the radio today was selling royal pride. It is this pride which manifests the evil which causes fire and death. A bus passes me the other day with a huge banner ad 'Being good is boring, being bad is much more fun'. In Victorian Britain we had on the one hand a kind of godly innocence. People tried to do the right thing, but all along were these secret Marxist sects aiming to destroy the culture and to replace it with repression of the soul. The Avant-Garde movement in art was 1890ish through to the WW1 time. We see a lot of this dehumanising agenda in that. Iconoclasm was a feature . Did it ever occur to you that they liked us because we were major players in the opium trade? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 13, 2022 23:46:09 GMT
If we go back to around 1860 time there were two different types of so called Christians. The best way I can illustrate this to you is with the Chinese emperors. During this time the emperors of China were extremely rich. They had this summer palace and in it were these carved heads, regard as very special. They were commissioned by the emperor from a group of missionaries from Britain who were living there. The emperor wanted an example of Western art in the palatial garden, the Christian missionaries were highly talented and they cut a deal resulting in both being happy. This kind of calm considerate behaviour is what a true Christian does. The effect of this was to make the emperor, through his enjoyment of the art they had provided, think favourably of the UK because he had had good experiences. Then there is the other type. This is the military Christian. They fight wars in the name of god and as such are vile hypocrites. They later on turned up and burnt it all down. What you see is the wolf in sheep's clothing. We see this so much today with our chastities. Some of the most evil dictators in this country are registered charities, and the radio today was selling royal pride. It is this pride which manifests the evil which causes fire and death. A bus passes me the other day with a huge banner ad 'Being good is boring, being bad is much more fun'. In Victorian Britain we had on the one hand a kind of godly innocence. People tried to do the right thing, but all along were these secret Marxist sects aiming to destroy the culture and to replace it with repression of the soul. The Avant-Garde movement in art was 1890ish through to the WW1 time. We see a lot of this dehumanising agenda in that. Iconoclasm was a feature . Did it ever occur to you that they liked us because we were major players in the opium trade? They hated us for it, but these missionaries were from before the Opium Wars. You see we once did get on with them because we were buyers of a lot of tea. People these days are really nasty towards the Christian Church and totally forget that it was the world's first truly international organisation and had offices in most countries. It was indeed that because we already had these offices we could then progress onto trade, and hence how the empire was built. Around 1860 though the Chinese experienced the dark side of us, and have never forgotten it. The sale of opium was for the purpose of taking over China. The Chinese were too tough though and it was like the British were used to getting their way and toppled every place they decided to until China, where apparently it was a kind of draw in the end. They met their match. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2022 3:14:29 GMT
I watched for a little over eight minutes at which point I realised my will to live was slowly but surely, ebbing away. It was like drowning, I could see the surface getting further and further away, with seconds to spare realised I wanted another breath. So I switched it off. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 3:29:35 GMT
Cultures are not really stolen, although they can be. They are mostly shared. We have taken from other cultures and they have taken from us. It's a sort of market place. Humans used to share their gods like this until they were introduced to the monolithic creeds. Then there was no more sharing. Then anyone not playing ball was killed. Or shunned if they were lucky. That nasty practice is ongoing. It taught humans how to utilize their vicious streak and turn it into a will of a god, a supreme lord who made everything and, like a black hole, from whom nothing might escape.
We haven't lost this habit of upstaging one another on spiritual grounds. We need to do that but not lose our common sense while we are at it. All this current weeping and blubbering and emotional literacy is going to kill us off. That is enough on its own to destroy any culture. There is no room for culture when everyone is clinched in a tearful hug with perfect strangers. It's a way of begging to be slaughtered. Until we stop doing this, we are going to keep slipping down the drain.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2022 4:27:18 GMT
Cultures are not really stolen, although they can be. They are mostly shared. We have taken from other cultures and they have taken from us. It's a sort of market place. Humans use to share their gods like this until they were introduced to the monolithic creeds. Then there was no more sharing. Then anyone not playing ball was killed. Or shunned if they were lucky. That nasty practice is ongoing. It taught humans how to utilize their vicious streak and turn it into a will of a god, a supreme lord who made everything and, like a black hole, from whom nothing might escape. We haven't lost this habit of upstaging one another on spiritual grounds. We need to do that but not lose our common sense while we are at it. All this current weeping and blubbering and emotional literacy is going to kill us off. That is enough on its own to destroy any culture. There is no room for culture when everyone is clinched in a tearful hug with perfect strangers. It's a way of begging to be slaughtered. Until we stop doing this, we are going to keep slipping down the drain. I think it depends where you are, I don't know anything about gods or monolithic creeds, but on this rock, in some parts of the world cultures are not remotely shared. Aliens acquiesce or suffer the consequences. In the UK generations to come when studying history will be proud that their forebear's fought tyranny during the 20th century. And wonder how such a proud nation could so quickly allow themselves to be walked over by all commers in the 21st century. I agree, all this blubbing and emotional (il)literacy is tragic. I never thought our culture our English culture could be changed or lost, but it is being changed and lost. This is a different country to the country I grew up in. I'm not talking about colour (I have to say that for Steve & Dappy, they'll be doing backflips if they think I'm being racist) I'm talking about values. Basic stuff like respect and right & wrong. It's gone. If some god gave me the chance to go back to my childhood... actually, I cant say that can I. What about Mrs R. I couldn't leave her here in 2022 and go off back to the early 1960's. |
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Post by Equivocal on Nov 14, 2022 5:08:55 GMT
I agree, all this blubbing and emotional (il)literacy is tragic. I never thought our culture our English culture could be changed or lost, but it is being changed and lost. This is a different country to the country I grew up in. I'm not talking about colour (I have to say that for Steve & Dappy, they'll be doing backflips if they think I'm being racist) I'm talking about values. Basic stuff like respect and right & wrong. It's gone. If some god gave me the chance to go back to my childhood... actually, I cant say that can I. What about Mrs R. I couldn't leave her here in 2022 and go off back to the early 1960's. Cheer up, Rackham:
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