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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2022 13:55:09 GMT
These philosophical musings and speculations are only ever wheeled out in reference to white skinned groups claiming they exist. Every other group is left to claim they exist without much argument.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 13:56:12 GMT
Evidence who were black-skinned?
And isn't a culture one of the defining characteristics of an ethnie?
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Post by jeg er on Nov 17, 2022 14:06:58 GMT
This is why it's completely pointless talking about this subject on the internet. You will get nowhere and you will pick up the various intellectual pygmies who will tell what culture is, how it is and where it's going plus they will inform you that you are wrong and stupid (and almost certainly racist) and they are right and smart and superior because they have rejected it when it suits them and will support it when it suits them. And that is that. No debate. You will be silenced by the dwarves of Marxist thinking. Neo-Marxist thinking, actually, because most of them don't even know who Marx was or what he theorised about. All they do know is that they must gainsay anything you say. And they do and they do it rather well. Good show. End of discussion. Eh What post are you talking about?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2022 14:11:22 GMT
Mags raises an interesting philosophical question but turns away at the last moment from its proper application in the current context. The question is usually known as the Ship of Theseus problem which asks: If over time something has all its original components replaced is it the same object as before? Ships, houses are difficult enough, but what about the English? If England has all its original people replaced is it still the same thing? What made England England, back in the day it was doing well was that the diversity of people made it more intelligent. We have had various waves of people coming to the UK to live. There would be many European scholars. William Kent for example trained in Italy because at that time Italian art was second to none. He got the best education and then made it his own thing, much to the joy of the aristocracy where he was in hot demand. Where we invent stuff, like I believe it was us who invented nuclear fusion, we would set up places like JET and that would pull in scientists from across the world and this would make us even more successful and so success would feed off success. This was until we practised the brain-dead art of equality. I'm convinced our industries are failing because too many unsuitable women are put into management positions they can't handle. Of late we have been a talk the talk, not walk the walk types. We do stuff that sounds good but will inevitably fail for logical reasons.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 14:15:22 GMT
"What made England England, back in the day it was doing well was that the diversity of people made it more intelligent. "
Diversity in what sense?
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 14:38:37 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 14:40:24 GMT
Not that old chestnut again.
Anyway, if it's a topic you find gripping why not start your own thread?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 14:42:36 GMT
England was made great by the English. This was added to by the Celts, Vikings and and Normans but the basic culture in England was English, bar the far outreaches of Cornwall, etc. The Kingdom of England was English and it was the English who contributed enormously to the way British culture is viewed by foreigners today. Why we are trying to kill ourselves off is an ongoing mystery.
I will add that people who do this are usually not very self assertive and tend to have a habit of fawning all over anyone who imposes their morally supremacist will on them. Instead of doing what the English do, or used to do, and telling them to bog off, these people fall to their knees in worship of whatever rubbish is being put before them. It's very sad, but nevertheless a fact and this is going to finish off the English if the English don't stop it and assert themselves.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 14:42:47 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 14:55:01 GMT
It isn't just culture that's changed, it's social structure. Invasions of Romans, Vikings and Normans, who were also Vikings, paled to insignificance to invasions that have happened over the comparatively recent past. One major difference was that the low local population and available land were considerably smaller and more easily accommodating.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 14:58:04 GMT
It's too complicated to discuss with drive-by one-line merchants. Suffice to say, there is very little DNA in this case for scientists to work with (e.g. there is no Y-DNA available) and what does exist is highly likely to have been contaminated given the manner these remains have been treated in the 120 years since they were found.
We had extensive discussions on this matter in the old place.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2022 15:02:36 GMT
"What made England England, back in the day it was doing well was that the diversity of people made it more intelligent. " Diversity in what sense? Each country would have its own skills. Places like London would be a magnet for those types. They did not come to London as refugees back then. We had a quality control system. People were allowed to discriminate, so those here were here by invitation. I mean to give an example the Jews were very good at banking so they would help create London's financial centre. These days the power of who we want here and who we do not has been stolen from us, so it is one thing that does not factor in the democratic system. You can be prosecuted for it under the guise of hate, a highly loosely defined term if ever there were one.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 15:03:29 GMT
It isn't just culture that's changed, it's social structure. Invasions of Romans, Vikings and Normans, who were also Vikings, paled to insignificance to invasions that have happened over the comparatively recent past. One major difference was that the low local population and available land were considerably smaller and more easily accommodating. The genetic profile of the English was fixed over 1200 years ago and has remained so ever since. Subsequent wavelets of incomers including the Normans, Flemings and French Huguenots added nothing the genetic mix that wasn't already present.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 15:05:56 GMT
How weak do you think British culture is if it can't survive a little immigration? I have much more confidence in it.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 15:17:13 GMT
It isn't just culture that's changed, it's social structure. Invasions of Romans, Vikings and Normans, who were also Vikings, paled to insignificance to invasions that have happened over the comparatively recent past. One major difference was that the low local population and available land were considerably smaller and more easily accommodating. The genetic profile of the English was fixed over 1200 years ago and has remained so ever since. Subsequent wavelets of incomers including the Normans, Flemings and French Huguenots added nothing the genetic mix that wasn't already present. Yes I agree but what I was trying to say was that subsequent incomings didn't seriously affect our social structure, indeed it may have improved it in many cases though the first wave of Flemings proved differently. The Huguenots were genuine refugees, many of them artisans.
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