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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2022 19:47:03 GMT
Thanks for your expressions of support Vanna, and you too Sally for mentioning earlier points of agreement. I'm not really concerned about being considered a racist in venues like this one since I understand that, just as patriotism was once said to be the last resort of a scoundrel, then a resort to accusations of racism is the last and only hope for those whose argumentation is so threadbare that they’ve left themselves with no other choice. I suspect most of my detractors here, and even more than a few of the ‘silent majority’, secretly agree with my analysis of the fairly apocalyptic future that will confront our descendants as the demographic transformation runs its course. It’s a future that’s just too painful to contemplate when you think about the birthright our own ancestors bequeathed to us, a birthright we are in the active process of complacently sharing with more-or-less anyone who cares to turn up and lay a claim on it. Like Enoch Powell, I feel as a prophet without honour in my own land but once awakened there’s no return to slumber I’m afraid, and what’s been seen and understood can never be unseen. That’s why so many wish so fervently that the prophets would just shut up and go away, and when they don't, but insist instead on sticking around to continue to broadcast the not-so-glad tidings, that's when the hostility begins. At various times I've been in the same place as you and almost certainly for the same reasons. The accusations of racism and many other isms develops in the mind of those who look for a cause. I have never been a racist unless that means I fight against the destruction of our customs and social structure; at the moment I appear to be well on the losing side through lack of support, mainly due to the word that those who are affected by it claim it has no meaning.....woke. You could track different developments in it all the way from the 19th century. The way I see it was 19th century was mild and often the more radical elements were small groups. It helps to be multidisciplinary in your research as well. Don't just look at the narrow political interpretations. It's not really my department but the world of fashion is telling. There was much before the 60s and one example to look at was Coco Chanel. She saw the 60s but was an elderly lady by then. Staying in the world of fashion, one can look at where the T-shirt came from. T-shirts were originally white and they were undergarments. It is explained by fashion historians the T-shirt then took on an element of rebellion by wearing these undergarments as visible, thereby implying a sexual stance, like similar to if a woman was just wearing a bra, it was considered outrageous, and to outrage the older generation more they then started to colour them. This was long before the 60s though. You can see really and truly it was the slow boil technique over multiple generations. It's like a progression that manifests itself in society just by what came before, as per slaves of history and dead thinkers. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 17, 2022 10:12:37 GMT
No one stole a culture.
Culture is not just in the past.
It is being added to every day.
Music is being written. Art is being produced. Social patterns are being developed. The way we dress changes. Politics is changing the environment which we live in. Sports is changing , for example with the growth of women's sports. Social movements rise and fall.
We keep our national culture alive
Today's events are all part of the long long continuum of what is defined as "our culture". We can at any moment enjoy what has added to it, from theatre to simply playing a track from music from any period and genre.
You can't kill or change culture. It is what it is. We and our choices are what it is. Unless youvstop making choices or developing thought, it is an expression of being a people.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 11:09:37 GMT
Exactly.
You can't preserve culture in aspic.
The only non-changing culture is a dead one.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 17, 2022 11:50:42 GMT
Exactly. You can't preserve culture in aspic. The only non-changing culture is a dead one. And what is culture, anyway? But a construct of the mind. The only tangible culture I am aware of is at the bottom of a petri dish |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 11:59:08 GMT
Exactly. You can't preserve culture in aspic. The only non-changing culture is a dead one. And what is culture, anyway? But a construct of the mind. The only tangible culture I am aware of is at the bottom of a petri dish It's like the old joke. What's the difference between an eisteddfod and natural yoghurt? You need a live culture for natural yoghurt. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 12:12:31 GMT
This is why it's completely pointless talking about this subject on the internet. You will get nowhere and you will pick up the various <insult removed> who will tell what culture is, how it is and where it's going plus they will inform you that you are wrong and stupid (and almost certainly racist) and they are right and smart and superior because they have rejected it when it suits them and will support it when it suits them. And that is that. No debate. You will be silenced by the . Neo-Marxist thinking<insult removed>, actually, because most of them don't even know who Marx was or what he theorised about. All they do know is that they must gainsay anything you say. And they do and they do it rather well. Good show. End of discussion.
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2022 12:16:49 GMT
The philosophical problem of identity is well known.
Is a house that has all its bricks replaced by other bricks, the same house?
Is a house that is made of the same bricks, but moved from one place to another, the same house?
Is a house that has all its bricks replaced and is moved to another place, the same same house?
The answer to these dilemmas is that human identities are created by a human story.
The odd thing is that such philosophical musings never seem to be pertinent when the BBC is clapping hard for 'multiculturalism'
For the purposes of shooting, tigers exist, for the purposes of preserving, they do not
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 12:18:14 GMT
Cultural Relativism is I believe the technical term for it, the notion that all cultures are of equal worth and value. All the rage these days in multicultural societies.
What seems to happen is that the most vocal tribunes for exotic cultures are amongst those who know the least about their own.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 12:39:39 GMT
Mags raises an interesting philosophical question but turns away at the last moment from its proper application in the current context. The question is usually known as the Ship of Theseus problem which asks: If over time something has all its original components replaced is it the same object as before?
Ships, houses are difficult enough, but what about the English? If England has all its original people replaced is it still the same thing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 13:12:07 GMT
No it bloody well is not.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 13:18:21 GMT
Mags raises an interesting philosophical question but turns away at the last moment from its proper application in the current context. The question is usually known as the Ship of Theseus problem which asks: If over time something has all its original components replaced is it the same object as before? Ships, houses are difficult enough, but what about the English? If England has all its original people replaced is it still the same thing? Which original people? The Beaker people, the Celts, the Romans, the Anglo-Saxons, the Vikings, the Normans? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 17, 2022 13:22:59 GMT
The people who are the descendants of all those peoples, the native English who have occupied the homeland of their ancestors for more than a thousand years.
Surely you must have heard?
Btw you forgot to mention the late upper paleolithic hunter-gatherers, the first arrivals after the Last Glacial Maximum.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 17, 2022 13:34:05 GMT
The people who are the descendants of all those peoples, the native English who have occupied the homeland of their ancestors for more than a thousand years. Surely you must have heard? Btw you forgot to mention the late upper paleolithic hunter-gatherers, the first arrivals after the Last Glacial Maximum. I didn't mention them because there is evidence that they were black skinned and I knew you wouldn't accept them as natives. You are making the mistake of conflating ethnicity with culture. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 13:48:43 GMT
Dark skinned maybe, but they were not black and they were not Africans. If someone came along and started telling the Africans they had no cultures and that the earliest inhabitants were white there would be an uproar - from whites.
Everyone in the world is allowed to have identity and culture except whites. Whites are somehow expected to just succumb to the idea that they are rudderless bastards, that their ancestors are "irrelevant" and that everything they have invented, made or upheld is rubbish. I strongly object to this, to put it mildly.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 17, 2022 13:54:08 GMT
Exactly. You can't preserve culture in aspic. The only non-changing culture is a dead one. And what is culture, anyway? But a construct of the mind. The only tangible culture I am aware of is at the bottom of a petri dish German idealism says everything is a construct of the mind. |
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