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Post by jaydee on Nov 4, 2022 10:38:35 GMT
lol "cheap labour" listen pal they are arriving daily in their thousands and they don't do a fuckin tap, they are now being put up in 5* hotels, they haven't got a care in the world, no worries of paying gas/electric/council tax/mortgages/rents/food bills ....... it's all supplied to them for FREE, courtesy of the UK tax payers.
£7 million a day.
cheap labour lol  Ah well, the trouble is a whole business model based on the global corporate model has grown up around them , a lot of people are making a lot of money from them and they know it. Alas all do not know it. And you have had the perfect example on this forum. They cannot even tell the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. Or answer a simple question like why are those illegal Immigrants who should not be here, still here. |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 4, 2022 10:48:55 GMT
Apparently, France and Germany refuse all "Asylum" applications from Albanians. Whereas we grant two-thirds of them. Suella needs to sort that out pronto. What has Enoch Braverman to do with France or Germany. Fascist like Farage talked the gullible into leaving Europe. They cannot now even return asylum seekers to the place of departure. I mean you now control the borders. Brexit means Brexit and all that meaningless garbage. Under the current rules, the UK is not permitted to return migrants to France. Before Brexit, the UK was able to send back return failed asylum seekers to the European country where they first arrived. That is what you voted for. By the way the recent rants by Enoch Braverman were the same as that of Nick Griffins and the BNP manifesto in 2010. Which I am sure you knew. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1526727/UK-return-migrants-France-English-Channel-EVG |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 4, 2022 10:50:29 GMT
lol "cheap labour" listen pal they are arriving daily in their thousands and they don't do a fuckin tap, they are now being put up in 5* hotels, they haven't got a care in the world, no worries of paying gas/electric/council tax/mortgages/rents/food bills ....... it's all supplied to them for FREE, courtesy of the UK tax payers.
£7 million a day.
cheap labour lol Ah well, the trouble is a whole business model based on the global corporate model has grown up around them , a lot of people are making a lot of money from them and they know it. of course, these hotels aren't turfing out paying guests out of the kindness of their hearts so they can stick illegal migrants in them, they are getting about three times the going rate for the accommodation, it's called profiteering, and the UK tax payers should form a tax payers alliance and take the government to court for wasting public money, it's about time the government were answerable to the UK tax payers, and if taking them to court might be the way forward.
They have a duty to spend OUR money, not theirs responsibly, and spending £7 million a day on illegal migrants is abuse of tax payers money.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 4, 2022 10:54:16 GMT
Ah well, the trouble is a whole business model based on the global corporate model has grown up around them , a lot of people are making a lot of money from them and they know it. of course, these hotels aren't turfing out paying guests out of the kindness of their hearts so they can stick illegal migrants in them, they are getting about three times the going rate for the accommodation, it's called profiteering, and the UK tax payers should form a tax payers alliance and take the government to court for wasting public money, it's about time the government were answerable to the UK tax payers, and if taking them to court might be the way forward.
They have a duty to spend OUR money, not theirs responsibly, and spending £7 million a day on illegal migrants is abuse of tax payers money.
Allow me to ask you again. Do try not to divert with insults. Have heard it all before. Now in terms of illegal Immigrants. Would you care to tell me who is to blame for those who should not be here. Why are they still here?. Clue. Cheap labour, and who has been in power for the last 12 years. Inventing imaginary enemies to hate. You can phone a friend, go 50/50 or ask the forum. And just for your info. The UK ranks about 6th in Europe of the amount of IMMIGRANTS it takes. But heh why let facts get in the road. Do remember there is a question in there.
Which part of the question do you find difficult to understand |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 4, 2022 10:59:30 GMT
of course, these hotels aren't turfing out paying guests out of the kindness of their hearts so they can stick illegal migrants in them, they are getting about three times the going rate for the accommodation, it's called profiteering, and the UK tax payers should form a tax payers alliance and take the government to court for wasting public money, it's about time the government were answerable to the UK tax payers, and if taking them to court might be the way forward.
They have a duty to spend OUR money, not theirs responsibly, and spending £7 million a day on illegal migrants is abuse of tax payers money.
Allow me to ask you again. Do try not to divert with insults. Have heard it all before. Now in terms of illegal Immigrants. Would you care to tell me who is to blame for those who should not be here. Why are they still here?. Clue. Cheap labour, and who has been in power for the last 12 years. Inventing imaginary enemies to hate. You can phone a friend, go 50/50 or ask the forum. And just for your info. The UK ranks about 6th in Europe of the amount of IMMIGRANTS it takes. But heh why let facts get in the road. Do remember there is a question in there.
Which part of the question do you find difficult. What insults?
Why do you accuse people of insults when they clearly call you out for your lies, what insults?
Posters can read exactly what I have posted and nowhere have I insulted you, now grow up, and stop playing the victim, you either tell deliberate lies or you suffer from some sort of mental affliction, if these threads and forums are getting to you I suggest you don't use them, it's clear they upset you with all your uncontrolled out bursts.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 4, 2022 11:18:51 GMT
Allow me to ask you again. Do try not to divert with insults. Have heard it all before. Now in terms of illegal Immigrants. Would you care to tell me who is to blame for those who should not be here. Why are they still here?. Clue. Cheap labour, and who has been in power for the last 12 years. Inventing imaginary enemies to hate. You can phone a friend, go 50/50 or ask the forum. And just for your info. The UK ranks about 6th in Europe of the amount of IMMIGRANTS it takes. But heh why let facts get in the road. Do remember there is a question in there.
Which part of the question do you find difficult. What insults?
Why do you accuse people of insults when they clearly call you out for your lies, what insults?
Posters can read exactly what I have posted and nowhere have I insulted you, now grow up, and stop playing the victim, you either tell deliberate lies or you suffer from some sort of mental affliction, if these threads and forums are getting to you I suggest you don't use them, it's clear they upset you with all your uncontrolled out bursts.
The insult is in you calling me a pal and calling me a liar, along with a few other insults on other posts. So let me ask you again as you waffle around everything you get asked. You do understand this bunch of little Englander UKIP thinking fascist wankers who call themselves a government have been in power since 2010. And have spectacularly failed to deport tens of thousands of immigrants who have failed the test to stay. That means it was not the tooth fairy or the man in the moon who failed the deportation. Not just a few. Tens of Thousands and it is growing. And indeed as you look for Brownie points. Poster have read exactly what you said. And this is a question on what you posted and for the 4th time or so spectacularly waffled instead of giving a answer. So let me ask you again Now in terms of illegal Immigrants. Would you care to tell me who is to blame for those who should not be here. Why are they still here?. Clue. Cheap labour, and who has been in power for the last 12 years. Inventing imaginary enemies to hate. You can phone a friend, go 50/50 or ask the forum. And just for your info. The UK ranks about 6th in Europe of the amount of IMMIGRANTS it takes. But heh why let facts get in the road. Do remember there is a question in there.
That is a question in answer to what you posted, Which part do you not understand and what part is a lie? That is another question. Take your time with your uncontrolled outbursts. I am off to see the wizard of Oz.. It is a bit more sensible |
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Post by patman post on Nov 4, 2022 11:41:53 GMT
Does it matter what Starmer and/or the Labour Party is supposed to think or have said, when they lost power in 2010?
Since then the captains of HMS United Kingdom have all been supplied by the Conservative Party. And immigration to the UK has steadily increased over that time…
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 4, 2022 11:45:13 GMT
What insults?
Why do you accuse people of insults when they clearly call you out for your lies, what insults?
Posters can read exactly what I have posted and nowhere have I insulted you, now grow up, and stop playing the victim, you either tell deliberate lies or you suffer from some sort of mental affliction, if these threads and forums are getting to you I suggest you don't use them, it's clear they upset you with all your uncontrolled out bursts.
The insult is in you calling me a pal and calling me a liar, along with a few other insults on other posts. So let me ask you again as you waffle around everything you get asked. You do understand this bunch of little Englander UKIP thinking fascist wankers who call themselves a government have been in power since 2010. And have spectacularly failed to deport tens of thousands of immigrants who have failed the test to stay. That means it was not the tooth fairy or the man in the moon who failed the deportation. Not just a few. Tens of Thousands and it is growing. And indeed as you look for Brownie points. Poster have read exactly what you said. And this is a question on what you posted and for the 4th time or so spectacularly waffled instead of giving a answer. So let me ask you again Now in terms of illegal Immigrants. Would you care to tell me who is to blame for those who should not be here. Why are they still here?. Clue. Cheap labour, and who has been in power for the last 12 years. Inventing imaginary enemies to hate. You can phone a friend, go 50/50 or ask the forum. And just for your info. The UK ranks about 6th in Europe of the amount of IMMIGRANTS it takes. But heh why let facts get in the road. Do remember there is a question in there.
That is a question in answer to what you posted, Which part do you not understand and what part is a lie? That is another question. Take your time with your uncontrolled outbursts. I am off to see the wizard of Oz.. It is a bit more sensible you are going on ignore, you simply haven't mastered the art of 'Debate' you just argue for arguing sake ..... bye |
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Post by Orac on Nov 4, 2022 12:08:27 GMT
I really don't understand who she thinks she is appealing to. The Rwanda policy is a joke, and her rhetoric is way over the top. There is nothing anybody can do about asylum, it is their right to make a claim for it. They need to put more money into the system and get the decisions made far quicker. If they are approved, get them integrated, working and contributing. If they are denied, then remove them. It shouldn't be taking years to make these decisions. I think you are getting things mixed up here. They have a right to make a claim, they have no right to enter the country or have their claim granted. What is an uninvited and unwanted ingress of people, if not 'an invasion'? |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 5, 2022 2:38:19 GMT
I really don't understand who she thinks she is appealing to. The Rwanda policy is a joke, and her rhetoric is way over the top. There is nothing anybody can do about asylum, it is their right to make a claim for it. They need to put more money into the system and get the decisions made far quicker. If they are approved, get them integrated, working and contributing. If they are denied, then remove them. It shouldn't be taking years to make these decisions. I think you are getting things mixed up here. They have a right to make a claim, they have no right to enter the country or have their claim granted. What is an uninvited and unwanted ingress of people, if not 'an invasion'? That is irrelevant. Once they are here it doesn't matter if they entered the country illegally or not. Whatever the government tries is just going to run into the brick wall of the Refugee Convention. What is the point of taking years to make decisions when the vast majority are going to be granted? Fund the system properly, so that the people entitled to stay can get on with their lives instead of costing the taxpayer a fortune in hotels etc. Realistically if you want to stop the boats then you have to open up more legal routes. That won't be easy though, because you might just end up encouraging more people. There are no easy answers. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 5, 2022 3:47:58 GMT
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 7:53:11 GMT
It's not irrelevant. An unwanted ingress of people is correctly described as an invasion. Can you tell us why you have such an aversion to the situation being described accurately? Whatever the government tries is just going to run into the brick wall of the Refugee Convention. If the refuge convention compels us to allow ourselves to be invaded, then clearly we should leave the refugee convention. In fact, it should be illegal for the government to do anything else if this is the conclusion. However, there is evidence that much of this is technically in the purview of government - it would just need a fight rather than laying down like a mat and our political class aren't into that kind of thing. That won't be easy though, because you might just end up encouraging more people. There are no easy answers. There is no 'might' about it. Virtually nobody wants to live in the third world and there are billions doing so. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 8:18:12 GMT
I really don't understand who she thinks she is appealing to. The Rwanda policy is a joke, and her rhetoric is way over the top. There is nothing anybody can do about asylum, it is their right to make a claim for it. They need to put more money into the system and get the decisions made far quicker. If they are approved, get them integrated, working and contributing. If they are denied, then remove them. It shouldn't be taking years to make these decisions. I think you are getting things mixed up here. They have a right to make a claim, they have no right to enter the country or have their claim granted. What is an uninvited and unwanted ingress of people, if not 'an invasion'? They cannot make a request to asylum from outside the UK. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 8:26:30 GMT
They cannot make a request to asylum from outside the UK. Of course they can. However and for obvious reasons, if they make the request from a safe country, there is no compulsion on the government to do anything with the request. Just a reminder - the asylum system is there to remove people from dangerous situations, rather than get them into the uk. |
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Post by om15 on Nov 5, 2022 11:09:45 GMT
I think I touched on this earlier, if an Albanian criminal/illegal pays up to £15,000 for a one way ticket to our shores he is advised by our publicly funded legal aid lawyers to claim on arrival that he has been unwillingly trafficked. Under The Modern Slavery Act 2015 introduced by Mrs May the authorities are unable to detain or prevent these people from entering the United Kingdom. Indeed the State is then obliged to provide housing, food, mobile phones, pocket money, health and dental care and transport to wherever the new arrival chooses to set up his new criminal activities.
You give many reasons why Scotland should leave the UK, (most of them rather incomprehensible), but I suggest that not being subject to The Modern Slavery Act 2015 is one of the better reasons for Independence.
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