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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 11:14:54 GMT
I think you are getting things mixed up here. They have a right to make a claim, they have no right to enter the country or have their claim granted. What is an uninvited and unwanted ingress of people, if not 'an invasion'? They cannot make a request to asylum from outside the UK. They cannot from Albania as that is considered as a safe country and the UK can ignore their request. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 11:43:33 GMT
They cannot make a request to asylum from outside the UK. Of course they can. However and for obvious reasons, if they make the request from a safe country, there is no compulsion on the government to do anything with the request. Just a reminder - the asylum system is there to remove people from dangerous situations, rather than get them into the uk. How do they make an asylum claim outside the UK? 🤔 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 11:52:07 GMT
Of course they can. However and for obvious reasons, if they make the request from a safe country, there is no compulsion on the government to do anything with the request. Just a reminder - the asylum system is there to remove people from dangerous situations, rather than get them into the uk. How do they make an asylum claim outside the UK? 🤔 It's a processing center outside the UK (Rwanda), their application will be treated exactly the same as if they were on UK soil, the government anticipated there would be a outcry because technically they would not be Asylum seekers if they weren't physically on UK soil, so they struck a deal with Rwanda, but it appears they would rather riot in over crowded process centers in the UK, it's their choice.
"The UK and Rwanda agreed a Migration and Economic Development Partnership in April 2022. It includes a five-year 'asylum partnership arrangement' as detailed in a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed by the Home Secretary and Rwanda's Minister for Foreign Affairs".
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 11:59:43 GMT
Errm, that will only grant them Asylum in Rwanda.
And you do realise that it was a reciprocal agreement?
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 12:02:15 GMT
Errm, that will only grant them Asylum in Rwanda. And you do realise that it was a reciprocal agreement? No it wont, the clue is a 'UK Asylum application center', if there application in Rwanda is successful they will be flown back to the UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 5, 2022 12:08:40 GMT
Labour will still lose the next election..... Probably, but I have more confidence in Braverman than Sunak. The more Sunak opens his mouth the less confidence I have in him or his government. It seems obvious to me that during the leadership hustings he said exactly what people wanted to hear. Since he was appointed PM he has changed his mind on Fracking and net-zero. He has promised tax rises and has not committed to the pensions triple lock. He has said the government can't solve everyone's problems, and as far as the illegal invasion from the EU is concerned, he appears to be utterly clueless. The one think Sunak is good at is blaming Liz Truss for everything, while conveniently forgetting he has been chancellor for the past three years. I said months ago that Sunak is a spoiled rich kid who is used to getting his own way, my opinion has not changed. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 12:12:38 GMT
Errm, that will only grant them Asylum in Rwanda. And you do realise that it was a reciprocal agreement? No it wont, the clue is a 'UK Asylum application center', if there application in Rwanda is successful they will be flown back to the UK. Nope. Wrong. migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-the-uks-policy-to-send-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20agreement%2C%20after,their%20accommodation%20at%20any%20time. Under the scheme, the UK’s legal responsibilities for such people would end once they have been relocated to the east African country. They will not be able to apply for asylum in the UK. Instead, they will be able to apply for asylum in Rwanda and have their claims processed there, within Rwanda’s asylum system. If such asylum applicants are successful, they will be offered protection in Rwanda, with no option to return to the UK. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 12:14:51 GMT
How do they make an asylum claim outside the UK? 🤔 They could (for instance) send a letter to an embassy. Perhaps the real question on your mind is, "How can they effectively force themselves on the UK government and British taxpayer without first entering the UK?" ? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 5, 2022 12:18:58 GMT
How do they make an asylum claim outside the UK? 🤔 They could (for instance) send a letter to an embassy. Perhaps the real question on your mind is, "How can they effectively force themselves on the UK government and British taxpayer without entering the UK?" ? Nope. They have to be in the UK to claim, as has already been pointed out. I did enjoy your answer though, made me chuckle. 🤭 |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 12:23:46 GMT
Nope. They have to be in the UK to claim, as has already been pointed out. I did enjoy your answer though, made me chuckle. 🤭 Nope. they can request asylum from inside our outside the UK. By 'claiming asylum', you seem to mean something slightly distinct from requesting asylum - ie something much closer to forcing themselves on the UK public. It's true that they fan only force themselves on the UK public by entering the UK |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 5, 2022 12:26:22 GMT
No it wont, the clue is a 'UK Asylum application center', if there application in Rwanda is successful they will be flown back to the UK. Nope. Wrong. migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-the-uks-policy-to-send-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20agreement%2C%20after,their%20accommodation%20at%20any%20time. Under the scheme, the UK’s legal responsibilities for such people would end once they have been relocated to the east African country. They will not be able to apply for asylum in the UK. Instead, they will be able to apply for asylum in Rwanda and have their claims processed there, within Rwanda’s asylum system. If such asylum applicants are successful, they will be offered protection in Rwanda, with no option to return to the UK. No that's scaremongering, that's why they don't want to go to Rwanda, we are taking in Rwanda migrants right now, how do you think the people of Rwanda apply for UK citizenship or visas, they go through the Rwanda process centers. They already exist, illegal migrants will have the same rights as the citizens of Rwanda who want to relocate to the UK.
How many refugees come from Rwanda to UK?
This is consistent with the recent capacity of Rwanda's asylum system to process individual claims. The Home Office's May 2022 review of Rwanda's asylum system shows that in 2020, the country made 228 decisions on asylum claims. In the same year, the UK made around 19,000 asylum decisions
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 12:26:31 GMT
They cannot make a request to asylum from outside the UK. They cannot from Albania as that is considered as a safe country and the UK can ignore their request. You appear to misunderstand. Nobody can claim asylum in any country, whether Albania or anywhere else until they enter the country. The Tories have closed all legal routes and slowed down the processing system to create this problem. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 5, 2022 12:30:55 GMT
Nobody can claim asylum in any country, whether Albania or anywhere else until they enter the country. Anyone is allowed to request asylum from outside the UK. Not sure what you mean here by 'claiming asylum' |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 5, 2022 12:33:40 GMT
They cannot from Albania as that is considered as a safe country and the UK can ignore their request. You appear to misunderstand. Nobody can claim asylum in any country, whether Albania or anywhere else until they enter the country.The Tories have closed all legal routes and slowed down the processing system to create this problem. Wrong...!! |
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Post by colbops on Nov 5, 2022 12:36:30 GMT
They cannot from Albania as that is considered as a safe country and the UK can ignore their request. You appear to misunderstand. Nobody can claim asylum in any country, whether Albania or anywhere else until they enter the country. The Tories have closed all legal routes and slowed down the processing system to create this problem. What is Suella Bravaman going to do about it? Or is she an asylum seeker? |
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