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Post by Handyman on Aug 7, 2023 8:44:26 GMT
Very easy you sling all your ID in the channel whilst crossing that's how you become a alleged asylum seekers from war torn frogland. You have either claimed asylum or you haven't. They are not a genuine Asylum Seeker until they have been assessed and granted Asylum, until then they are here unlawfully |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 8:47:47 GMT
Nope, that's not correct.
See my explanation to Fairsociety above.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 7, 2023 8:48:56 GMT
Very easy you sling all your ID in the channel whilst crossing that's how you become a alleged asylum seekers from war torn frogland. You have either claimed asylum or you haven't. They are not asylum seekers just fucking self seeking criminals and no form of virtual signalling can disguise the fact. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 8:50:47 GMT
You have either claimed asylum or you haven't. They are not asylum seekers just fucking self seeking criminals and no form of virtual signalling can disguise the fact. If they are not asylum seekers we don't have any duty to house them. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 7, 2023 8:51:06 GMT
Anyone arriving via a dinghy across the channel from 'France' is a illegal 'alleged asylum' seeker, until he/she can prove otherwise, if they can't then we assume they are just chancers abusing our over generous hospitality.
If I was abroad and lost my passport I would have zero chance of boarding a plane and entering the UK, unless I took the dinghy route.
You have mixed up asylum seeker and refugee. When you arrive, if you claim asylum, you are an asylum seeker. If your asylum is granted you become a refugee. Like I said, no such thing as an alleged asylum seeker, you have either claimed asylum or not. I wouldn't be mixed up if I left on a dinghy and illegally crossed the channel from the UK to France, and then claimed asylum.
After they finished laughing their heads off, they'd say ...'you've just crossed from the UK, there is no wars raging, you life isn't in danger, you're not being persecuted' ... and that's exactly what we are saying to those crossing the channel from France to the UK.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 7, 2023 8:58:08 GMT
Very easy you sling all your ID in the channel whilst crossing that's how you become a alleged asylum seekers from war torn frogland. You have either claimed asylum or you haven't. They are criminals and nothing less. It seems as per usual you are the one who is confused. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 9:10:35 GMT
Nope. If they have claimed asylum then they are asylum seekers. If they were illegals they would be under arrest.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 7, 2023 9:12:44 GMT
Errm, that's exactly what an asylum seeker is? You and I have no idea who these people are or where they come from, are they genuine ? criminals on the run? economic migrants? terrorists ? none of them will be granted Asylum leave to remain until the authorities give them that status. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 7, 2023 9:15:26 GMT
Nope. If they have claimed asylum then they are asylum seekers. If they were illegals they would be under arrest. Entering the UK unlawfully is an Offence , the fact that our Authorities do not often put them before a Criminal Court does not mean they have not broken our Laws |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 9:20:47 GMT
But if they are claiming asylum, then they are asylum seekers. If granted asylum then they are no longer asylum seekers.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 7, 2023 10:02:38 GMT
But if they are claiming asylum, then they are asylum seekers. If granted asylum then they are no longer asylum seekers. They are classed as Alleged Asylum Seekers until they are eventually granted Asylum Status granted by the authorities if their claim is genuine, those who do make false claims and lie will not be granted Asylum, they are here unlawfully |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 7, 2023 10:10:50 GMT
It's interesting but there is no immigration category for arrivals between the time they arrive and the time an immigration officer registers their claim for asylum. Even after registration an asylum seeker has a null immigration status - they are neither legal nor illegal - until such time as their claim is finally decided one way or another.
The only indicator of their physical presence is their inclusion in the backlog.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 7, 2023 10:14:09 GMT
But if they are claiming asylum, then they are asylum seekers. If granted asylum then they are no longer asylum seekers. Once they enter the UK illegally via any route they are ..
illegal migrants ... once their application is approved they then become ...
Asylum seekers... once that application is approved they then granted ...
Refugee status. Humanitarian Protection, other leave to remain
..^^^That's the pecking order.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 7, 2023 10:23:31 GMT
No. No idea where you got that from. I think you just made that up.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 7, 2023 10:25:57 GMT
I don't believe that an arrival is ever illegal if the first thing he says to a 'responsible person' on landing is 'I claim asylum'. That request is then passed on to an immigration officer at some future time and the individual only becomes illegal if the IO refuses to register the claim.
What happens next is then a bit of a mystery. It used to be that bogus claimants were detained with a view to deportation but it seems so challenging to deport anyone these days that I believe they are simply let go.
In 2022 8% of the small-boat arrivals, almost 4,000 people, did not claim asylum on arrival but there has been no report of what happened to them or their present whereabouts.
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