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Post by sheepy on Aug 14, 2023 20:00:25 GMT
No, because you weren't taking the mick only out of yourself, you just thought you were taking it out of me. Nope. Dream on. LOL but you have spent the whole day trying to muddy the waters and I had already told you we weren't having it. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 14, 2023 20:01:13 GMT
Immigration offences
Individuals and organised groups may commit a variety of offences when gaining or facilitating illegal entry into the UK. Some of the commonly prosecuted immigration offences are:
Entering the UK without leave contrary to section 24 Immigration Act 1971
Assisting unlawful immigration to a Member State or the UK contrary to section 25 of the 1971 Act –
Possession of false identification documents with improper intention contrary to section 4 Identity Documents Act 2010
Entering the UK without a passport contrary to section 2 Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004
Knowingly employing adults subject to immigration control contrary to section 21 Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006
Illegal entry and related offences
Section 24 of the 1971 Act contained provisions for illegal entry offences that were summary only. Most of these offences remain on the statute book, but section 24 has been amended by the Nationality and Borders Act (NABA) 2022 to make provision for new offences. Alongside the existing offences, NABA has introduced two new offences that can be committed by simple arrival rather than entry, the latter having a technical legal definition set out in section 11 of the 1971 Act. It also increases the maximum sentence for these offences so that they are now triable in the Crown Court as well as the magistrates’ court. As these offences are now indictable, the Criminal Attempts Act 1981 applies, and it is therefore an offence to attempt to commit a section 24 offence.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 14, 2023 20:05:09 GMT
So if you manage to escape this you're not a refugee. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Are you seriously suggesting that those people the genuine refugees from Kutapulong, if they got to the EU state of France would say fuck this shit tip I'm going to pay a trafficker thousands of €uros to get to England. When will you wake the fuck up? Six months ago the majority of criminals crossing the channel were from Albania, right now the majority are apparently from Pakistan. How the fuck can you even begin to describe these criminals as refugees? They're criminals ffs and it's left wing dickheads like you who make it easy for them. Well if you start wrong you finish wrong. They didn't arrive in France safe and secure and then pay the traffickers 5k to get to the UK. They paid the traffickers in Afrika to get them through France to the UK. You need to wake up. NO ONE that's NO ONE thinks the Albanians are refugees. That does not mean NO ONE is a refugee. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 14, 2023 20:06:28 GMT
LOL but you have spent the whole day trying to muddy the waters and I had already told you we weren't having it. Only muddy for you because it went off your one track monobrain thinking. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 14, 2023 20:09:02 GMT
LOL but you have spent the whole day trying to muddy the waters and I had already told you we weren't having it. Only muddy for you because it went off your one track monobrain thinking. And you reckon I might not have heard and seen it all before? when the Left and the Right get caught out cheating the public. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2023 20:11:37 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that those people the genuine refugees from Kutapulong, if they got to the EU state of France would say fuck this shit tip I'm going to pay a trafficker thousands of €uros to get to England. When will you wake the fuck up? Six months ago the majority of criminals crossing the channel were from Albania, right now the majority are apparently from Pakistan. How the fuck can you even begin to describe these criminals as refugees? They're criminals ffs and it's left wing dickheads like you who make it easy for them. Well if you start wrong you finish wrong. They didn't arrive in France safe and secure and then pay the traffickers 5k to get to the UK. They paid the traffickers in Afrika to get them through France to the UK. You need to wake up. NO ONE that's NO ONE thinks the Albanians are refugees. That does not mean NO ONE is a refugee. Bored. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 14, 2023 20:12:51 GMT
Immigration offences Individuals and organised groups may commit a variety of offences when gaining or facilitating illegal entry into the UK. Some of the commonly prosecuted immigration offences are: Entering the UK without leave contrary to section 24 Immigration Act 1971 Assisting unlawful immigration to a Member State or the UK contrary to section 25 of the 1971 Act – Possession of false identification documents with improper intention contrary to section 4 Identity Documents Act 2010 Entering the UK without a passport contrary to section 2 Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004 Knowingly employing adults subject to immigration control contrary to section 21 Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 Illegal entry and related offences Section 24 of the 1971 Act contained provisions for illegal entry offences that were summary only. Most of these offences remain on the statute book, but section 24 has been amended by the Nationality and Borders Act (NABA) 2022 to make provision for new offences. Alongside the existing offences, NABA has introduced two new offences that can be committed by simple arrival rather than entry, the latter having a technical legal definition set out in section 11 of the 1971 Act. It also increases the maximum sentence for these offences so that they are now triable in the Crown Court as well as the magistrates’ court. As these offences are now indictable, the Criminal Attempts Act 1981 applies, and it is therefore an offence to attempt to commit a section 24 offence. Not according to Zany. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 14, 2023 20:13:48 GMT
It was an example. The problem here is semantics. 1) Is it a crime for you enter the United States? No 2) Can you commit a crime by entering the United States? Yes 1) Is a 'refugee' committing a crime by 'moving on'? No 2) Can a refugee commit a crime by 'moving on'? Yes Hopefully that will clear the whole thing up and you can stop trying to rationalise fraud and instead choose something more helpful to rationalise instead. Yes I got it first time round. But it was such a ridiculous argument I scoffed. Is it legal to buy a newspaper? Yes of course? No, its not if you pull a gun and rob the newsagent! Well ofcourse not. Bizarre. You were wrong to scoff - you probably focused on the wrong thing in order to dismiss the argument. 1) Is it a crime for you enter the United States? No 2) Can you commit a crime by entering the United States? Yes Saying that it isn't a crime to move into the US isn't the same thing as saying that you can not commit a crime by moving into the US. It isn't a crime for me to enter the your house. However, I can still commit a crime by entering your house. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 14, 2023 20:18:11 GMT
Well if you start wrong you finish wrong. They didn't arrive in France safe and secure and then pay the traffickers 5k to get to the UK. They paid the traffickers in Afrika to get them through France to the UK. You need to wake up. NO ONE that's NO ONE thinks the Albanians are refugees. That does not mean NO ONE is a refugee. Bored. Good. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2023 21:27:28 GMT
Fiasco - Is the only appropriate word to describe the Portland Barge debacle I watched a Conservative councillor from Dorset on Channel 4 News say that the barge could be moored on the Thames, or in Richmond ( Rishi Sunaks constituency ).
Thats a good trick Sid, how are you intending to do it? I only ask because the Richmond constituency is landlocked - are you proposing to tow a 10,000 ton barge up the A1?. Let us know how you get on..  |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 15, 2023 6:24:19 GMT
Fiasco - Is the only appropriate word to describe the Portland Barge debacle I watched a Conservative councillor from Dorset on Channel 4 News say that the barge could be moored on the Thames, or in Richmond ( Rishi Sunaks constituency ).
Thats a good trick Sid, how are you intending to do it? I only ask because the Richmond constituency is landlocked - are you proposing to tow a 10,000 ton barge up the A1?. Let us know how you get on.. Richmond upon Thames? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 15, 2023 6:37:38 GMT
Thats a good trick Sid, how are you intending to do it? I only ask because the Richmond constituency is landlocked - are you proposing to tow a 10,000 ton barge up the A1?. Let us know how you get on.. Richmond upon Thames? Richmond Yorkshire is Sunaks constituency... |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 15, 2023 8:14:35 GMT
So if you manage to escape this you're not a refugee. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Are you seriously suggesting that those people the genuine refugees from Kutapulong, if they got to the EU state of France would say fuck this shit tip I'm going to pay a trafficker thousands of €uros to get to England. When will you wake the fuck up? Six months ago the majority of criminals crossing the channel were from Albania, right now the majority are apparently from Pakistan. How the fuck can you even begin to describe these criminals as refugees? They're criminals ffs and it's left wing dickheads like you who make it easy for them. Talking about the Albanian Criminal Smuggling Gangs in todays media Albanian migrants are using a new smuggling route to the UK as an alternative to small boats, according to reports. People smugglers are providing passage in lorries from Santander on the north coast of Spain to Portsmouth for £14,000. The route is being advertised on social media including TikTok using emojis and images of lorries, ferries and landmarks in London. The path means migrants are less likely to be picked up, identified and deported back to Albania. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 15, 2023 8:16:10 GMT
Fiasco - Is the only appropriate word to describe the Portland Barge debacle I watched a Conservative councillor from Dorset on Channel 4 News say that the barge could be moored on the Thames, or in Richmond ( Rishi Sunaks constituency ).
Thats a good trick Sid, how are you intending to do it? I only ask because the Richmond constituency is landlocked - are you proposing to tow a 10,000 ton barge up the A1?. Let us know how you get on.. Too big to tow it up the Leeds and Liverpool Canal , as well  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 15, 2023 13:09:32 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that those people the genuine refugees from Kutapulong, if they got to the EU state of France would say fuck this shit tip I'm going to pay a trafficker thousands of €uros to get to England. When will you wake the fuck up? Six months ago the majority of criminals crossing the channel were from Albania, right now the majority are apparently from Pakistan. How the fuck can you even begin to describe these criminals as refugees? They're criminals ffs and it's left wing dickheads like you who make it easy for them. Talking about the Albanian Criminal Smuggling Gangs in todays media Albanian migrants are using a new smuggling route to the UK as an alternative to small boats, according to reports. People smugglers are providing passage in lorries from Santander on the north coast of Spain to Portsmouth for £14,000. The route is being advertised on social media including TikTok using emojis and images of lorries, ferries and landmarks in London. The path means migrants are less likely to be picked up, identified and deported back to Albania.I heard something about this on the radio this morning. Will this route be stopped? I wouldn't have thought so. ZG and his deluded lefty buddies will be at Portsmouth waving their 'Refugees Welcome' banners. |
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