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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 16:22:29 GMT
I presume as you have now dropped it that you now realise you were talking nonsense about FOM. With respect given that you seem unable after all this time to have grasped basic facts, who would we take any notice of your nonsensical "solutions" When I get a translator to translate that post, I will dignify you with a response. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 16:24:55 GMT
I think the penny might have finally dropped
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 16:28:07 GMT
I think the penny might have finally dropped I hope so, it's took you a long time but we got there in the end ....phewww |
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 16:30:39 GMT
Aw bless. Poor old boy made a fool of himself.
Do you understand now that people wishing to claim asylum couldn't come here under FOM when we were in the EU to claim that asylum?
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 1, 2023 16:31:45 GMT
I dare say that a large majority of those in the support system at present (probably well over 200,000 including ongoing appeals) are not overly concerned about the decision-making process getting gummed up. The longer it takes, the longer the gravy train rolls on for, and the longer they have to work their way into the underground system outside the gaze of the authorities. In the meantime a bed and three squares is the minimum guaranteed without having to lift a finger for it.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 16:37:35 GMT
Aw bless. Poor old boy made a fool of himself. Do you understand now that people wishing to claim asylum couldn't come here under FOM when we were in the EU to claim that asylum? They didn't need to claim asylum here under the FOM, they were legally entitled to be here under the FOM act.
They can no longer use the FOM to stay here legally ....... so now they come here as 'illegal migrants' via a dinghy from France so they can claim asylum.
Bloody hell you're hard work.
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 16:39:44 GMT
Dan
Could you explain the basics to poor old Fairsociety please.
Many thanks
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 16:44:25 GMT
Dan Could you explain the basics to poor old Fairsociety please. Many thanks Yes please do Dan, as I'm at a loss with dippy. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 1, 2023 16:53:24 GMT
Asylum seekers were not entitled to roam across the EU under FoM, they were able to that because as a rule nobody stopped them. When entering another (EU) country especially if they had been registered on original arrival they typically took care to give the authorities a wide berth, until they reached their preferred destination where they might (or not) register an asylum claim.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 1, 2023 16:58:23 GMT
Well here's a couple of reasons migrants can't go on them .. 1. It's not safe, it could have the Grenfell Tower fire hazards. 2. quote from migrant 'I can't go on it, I'm still traumatised with crossing of the channel in the Dinghy, every time I see water I have panic attacks and PTSD. And many more reasons they can't go on it, they are quite happy in their 4* hotels, on full board.Not strictly true,there was one iirc on the beeb complaining about the hotel accommodation,”I want a house and garden with a trampoline” such is what some yearn for. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 16:59:32 GMT
Asylum seekers were not entitled to roam across the EU under FoM, they were able to that because as a rule nobody stopped them. When entering another (EU) country especially if they had been registered on original arrival they typically took care to give the authorities a wide berth, until they reached their preferred destination where they might (or not) register an asylum claim. So in other words asylum seekers passed through at least two EU borders where they could have claimed asylum but chose not to.
Instead they passed through them and made their way to the UK to claim asylum, which was fine until Brexit.
Asylum seekers to gain legal status for asylum in the UK must now prove they are from 'war torn countries', in danger of torture of persecution, or death.
Whereas they could have used FOM prior to Brexit, they now have to play the refugee status on the grounds of danger to life torture persecution, even though it's registered they were picked up in the channel in a dinghy coming from ........ FRANCE ... .... LOL
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 1, 2023 17:11:37 GMT
No, it's a misnomer to couple 'FoM' and asylum seeking, they are two completely separate concepts. No asylum seeker has the Treaty Right to exercise his entitlements under the FoM Directive; that is reserved for nationals of EU member states.
If said asylum seekers had made it via the EU to the UK while the UK was in the EU, then the UK could (theoretically) have returned them to their EU point of origin if, and only if, the asylum seeker had been registered there on initial entry.
Post-Brexit that of course is no longer an option.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 17:15:38 GMT
No, it's a misnomer to couple 'FoM' and asylum seeking, they are two completely separate concepts. No asylum seeker has the Treaty Right to exercise his entitlements under the FoM Directive; that is reserved for nationals of EU member states. If said asylum seekers had made it via the EU to the UK while the UK was in the EU, then the UK could (theoretically) have returned them to their EU point of origin if, and only if, the asylum seeker had been registered there on initial entry. Post-Brexit that of course is no longer an option. Dan it's plain and simple, FOM have now rebranded themselves as French dinghy people coming from France as asylum seekers to gain access to the UK.
As FOM we would have legally accepted them prior to Brexit, so now the only way they can gain access to the UK is via a illegal route.
Genuine asylum seekers/refugees who are fleeing torture and persecution will not be on chartered dinghies out of 'France'.
Honestly take it from me.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 1, 2023 17:28:16 GMT
Whatever channel paddlers may be branding themselves as is, it certainly can't be as French. Such a claim wouldn't withstand more than two minutes scrutiny.
The UK's acceptance of asylum seekers arriving from the continent pre-Brexit had nothing whatsoever to do with the EU and its Freedom of Movement for EU nationals, and everything to do with the UK's own perceived obligations under the Refugee Convention.
As it does today.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 17:41:34 GMT
Ok let's simplify it.
The UK no longer accepts FOM.
So FOM outside the UK only applies to EU member states.
So anyone in or out of those member states can no long enter the UK legally under the FOM.
So they have now devised a loophole that allows FOM to abuse the UK system by chartering dinghy's from France to the UK, full of illegal migrants (who could have claimed FOM, but can't after Brexit) who have been told by our dishonest solicitors to say they are 'asylum seekers' / refugees/ fleeing torture and persecution' ... but please don't mention you are really pissed off Freedom of Movement who can't move to the UK, so now you have to be in the guise of refugees/asylum seekers.
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