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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 13:02:07 GMT
I would want it to reflect the world as it is now,economic migrants as opposed to those in genuine need,a coherent policy to support people closer to their homelands so they can return. What do you want? But we aren't obliged to take economic migrants anyway. Anyone who is determined as not a refugee we are free to deport. Not if some corrupt lefty lawyer tells them to say they are gay, or a million and one other excuses. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 10, 2023 13:05:30 GMT
But we aren't obliged to take economic migrants anyway. Anyone who is determined as not a refugee we are free to deport. tells them to say they are gay, or a million and one other excuses. These are the same arseholes who advise this dross to chuck their ID's in the channel whilst invading our shore mate. But of course the usual woke bleading hearts know that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 13:06:02 GMT
Nothing mythical about it. Aoart from your beloved EUSSR ushering this dross across their member states to be foisted onto the UK by the Frogs. What the fuck have we paid millions to t he Frogs for? Nothing to do with the EU. Like I said, you just made it up. 🙄 What! The EU opened job centres in Africa, they said anyone crossing the Med would not be sent back, Merkel welcomed them and said the EU could manage. And you reckon the immigrant crisis in Europe has nothing to do with the EU! You are fact blind, in other words, a remainiac. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 10, 2023 13:12:27 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if our Red is some form of AI - mindlessly churning out the same lines that have been debunked so many times regardless of how silly it makes him look. Surely no sentient human would humiliate himself in this way
Then I remember that the I stands for Intelligence
No that cant be the explanation.....
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 13:20:53 GMT
As a matter of urgency we should leave the ECHR, it wouldn't be a panacea that solved everything, but if the UK withdrew from it, it would stop lefty lawyers, often corrupt lefty lawyers, using it to prevent the government deporting foreign criminals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 13:27:40 GMT
As a matter of urgency we should leave the ECHR, it wouldn't be a panacea that solved everything, but if the UK withdrew from it, it would stop lefty lawyers, often corrupt lefty lawyers, using it to prevent the government deporting foreign criminals. Is stopping asylum seekers the only reason you wish to leave the ECHR? Just asking because one of the rights you would be giving up would be 'the right to life'. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 10, 2023 13:37:12 GMT
Didn't Britons have a right to life before the ECvHR was invented?
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2023 13:43:29 GMT
Your answer as to what changes should be made to the Convention was particularly vague, Wapentake. Always much easier to shout that it should be changed than defining how it should be changed, perhaps. While it is not impossible that people from Albania would justifiably qualify for asylum, I think those instances would be expected to be rare. No one is arguing that all claimants should be accepted. Was it? what did you expect I rewrite the convention in a few minutes after you ask the question and regards that two things if you want to answer me it might be useful if you use the quote function so I get a notification and secondly I asked you a question,no answer but you’re full of questions. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 13:43:40 GMT
Didn't Britons have a right to life before the ECvHR was invented? Sort of depending on your class and status. My point is, though, we would be giving up that right if we left the EHRC. Another one -"Freedom from slavery and forced labour". The Tories would love this one, they could 'force' pensioners and disabled back into work. Be careful what you wish for. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 13:44:07 GMT
As a matter of urgency we should leave the ECHR, it wouldn't be a panacea that solved everything, but if the UK withdrew from it, it would stop lefty lawyers, often corrupt lefty lawyers, using it to prevent the government deporting foreign criminals. Is stopping asylum seekers the only reason you wish to leave the ECHR? Just asking because one of the rights you would be giving up would be 'the right to life'. Dont be stupid. Are you suggesting that only people from countries who are signed up to the ECHR have a right to life? Canada is not signed up to the ECHR, however Azerbaijan is. Which country do you think your human rights or as you put it, your right to life, would be protected more, Canada or Azerbaijan? Being signed up to the ECHR and indeed the ECtHR means nothing, it's just a virtue signalling charter that corrupt left wing lawyers use to great effect and we should withdraw from both asap. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 10, 2023 13:45:16 GMT
Remarkable isn't it that the GB Newswatchers are so easily brainwashed that they support leaving an organisation whose rules every other country in Europe is happy to comply with with the exception of Belarus, Vatican City and recently Russia. What a great club they want to be part of.......
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 10, 2023 13:49:36 GMT
Might it be that the Council of Europe is another of those supranational institutions which were a good idea at the time, perhaps even a necessary one although Britain was reluctant to become a signatory, but which have now outlived their usefulness and have become an anachronism?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 13:55:19 GMT
Is stopping asylum seekers the only reason you wish to leave the ECHR? Just asking because one of the rights you would be giving up would be 'the right to life'. Dont be stupid. Are you suggesting that only people from countries who are signed up to the ECHR have a right to life? Canada is not signed up to the ECHR, however Azerbaijan is. Which country do you think your human rights or as you put it, your right to life, would be protected more, Canada or Azerbaijan? Being signed up to the ECHR and indeed the ECtHR means nothing, it's just a virtue signalling charter that corrupt left wing lawyers use to great effect and we should withdraw from both asap. Don't be even more stupid, I am making the point that if we leave the ECHR we would give up that right under the convention. Who knows what nutter we might get as PM next. How about NI "the UK departure from the convention would be a breach of the Good Friday Agreement, which would still be the case if a new domestic Bill of rights replaced it". It's all smoke and mirrors used by the Tories to agitate the right wing nut jobs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 13:57:50 GMT
Might it be that the Council of Europe is another of those supranational institutions which were a good idea at the time, perhaps even a necessary one although Britain was reluctant to become a signatory, but which have now outlived their usefulness and have become an anachronism? Not according to Churchill. "In the early 1940s, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill raised the idea of a ‘Council of Europe’. In the wake of World War II and the horrors of the Holocaust, the idea behind the Council of Europe was to set up an international organisation to promote democracy, the rule of law and human rights. The Council was established by ten states, including the United Kingdom, on 5 May 1949. On 12 August 1949, Churchill said: “The dangers threatening us are great but great too is our strength, and there is no reason why we should not succeed in… establishing the structure of this united Europe whose moral concepts will be able to win the respect and recognition of mankind…” |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 14:06:50 GMT
Might it be that the Council of Europe is another of those supranational institutions which were a good idea at the time, perhaps even a necessary one although Britain was reluctant to become a signatory, but which have now outlived their usefulness and have become an anachronism? Precisely, well put. These institutions may or may not have been a good idea at the time, but they are certainly not a good idea now. |
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