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Post by wapentake on Aug 8, 2023 10:02:53 GMT
What’s brexit got to do with it,there are international laws concerning asylum. What laws? There are a number of EU Directives on the topic but none of those apply anymore to the UK. These laws |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 10:07:59 GMT
And tell them they can’t come without documents and proof of status or remain in the squalor in France that nobody really cares to criticise but reserve all their anger for this country and purely on party political lines. That's it. If we process them in France there will be no need for the asylum seekers to use boats to cross the channel, those without documentation would diminish and the problem would, in time, be solved. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 8, 2023 10:08:05 GMT
That deals with refugees not asylum seekers. The law which governs how asylum seekers are managed and supported in the UK is the Immigration and Asylum Act of 1999, not the UN Convention on Refugees, which is not part of UK law anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 10:10:05 GMT
Its the bloody Frogs who are ushering over the channel. How much more do you want the UK to put into frogland coffers? The French have asked the UK government to set up processing centres in France and the UK government has refused. The French are not 'ushering' asylum seekers over the channel, even they cannot patrol their whole coastline. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2023 10:12:51 GMT
Regarding the barge, what appears to have happened by way of a 'legal challenge' is that Duncan Lewis, acting as the legal representative of a number of allegedly hydrophobic claimants, sent letters of 'pre-action' to the Home Office threatening legal action if their clients were put on the barge. On what grounds isn't clear, probably human rights, but anyway the HO took fright and caved in. There was no court appearance, no injunction and nothing at all in the way of what is normally understood as a 'legal challenge'. A legal challenge is just that - one party says to the other stop doing what you are doing, it is illegal. The fact that the other party agrees is usually a pretty good indication they agree. Of course this whole barge nonsense is just a publicity stunt designed to appeal to GB Newswatchers and Express readers just like Rwanda. The solution - to sort out the shambles of prolonged decision making doesn't attract votes from the easily influenced. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 8, 2023 10:18:21 GMT
Its the bloody Frogs who are ushering over the channel. How much more do you want the UK to put into frogland coffers? The French have asked the UK government to set up processing centres in France and the UK government has refused. The French are not 'ushering' asylum seekers over the channel, even they cannot patrol their whole coastline. They are the ones foisting these criminals onto the UK. The arseholes have had millions from the UK to stop this madness and the Frogs have done fuck all and still shove them off onto the UK. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 8, 2023 10:23:59 GMT
That deals with refugees not asylum seekers. The law which governs how asylum seekers are managed and supported in the UK is the Immigration and Asylum Act of 1999, not the UN Convention on Refugees, which is not part of UK law anyway. Asylum seekers are refugees |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 8, 2023 10:25:42 GMT
Of course some people seeking asylum are in reality "economic migrants". Odd question. Actually in the real world it is a spectrum rather than absolute. it is entirely right that we should examine claims and where it is found they do not meet the threshhold for granting asylum, where at all possible the failed claimant (after one appeal) should be expected to leave. Except legal sharks are ensuring dividing the wheat from the chaff is nigh on impossible. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2023 10:32:15 GMT
All "legal sharks" can do Wapentake is ensure Government acts within the law. Frankly the Government should be doing that anyway. It is shameful how casually they treat the law. If the Government doesn't respect the law and attempt to stay comfortably within it, why should a working class kid on a council estate?
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Post by wapentake on Aug 8, 2023 10:36:35 GMT
All "legal sharks" can do Wapentake is ensure Government acts within the law. Frankly the Government should be doing that anyway. It is shameful how casually they treat the law. If the Government doesn't respect the law and attempt to stay comfortably within it, why should a working class kid on a council estate? Why do you keep repeating kids on a council estate that’s the odd reply,what is shameful are legal sharks breaking the law,people smugglers and people trying to entwine this with brexit as though the eu have some high moral ground and that our departure is the cause of all these ills. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 8, 2023 10:37:04 GMT
It's rather odd that someone who arrives in a dinghy is suddenly terrified of the water - wonder why this fear never materialized on the beach in Calais..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 10:43:27 GMT
The French have asked the UK government to set up processing centres in France and the UK government has refused. The French are not 'ushering' asylum seekers over the channel, even they cannot patrol their whole coastline. They are the ones foisting these criminals onto the UK. The arseholes have had millions from the UK to stop this madness and the Frogs have done fuck all and still shove them off onto the UK. The French are within international law to 'allow' asylum seekers to leave their shores and carry on to another safe country. Do you expect them to physically stop the asylum seekers as we would not. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 8, 2023 10:43:38 GMT
That deals with refugees not asylum seekers. The law which governs how asylum seekers are managed and supported in the UK is the Immigration and Asylum Act of 1999, not the UN Convention on Refugees, which is not part of UK law anyway. Asylum seekers are refugees Not in UK law they are not. S.94 of the 1999 Act defines an 'asylum seeker' as follows:
"asylum-seeker” means a person who is not under 18 and has made a claim for asylum which has been recorded by the Secretary of State but which has not been determined;
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 10:45:35 GMT
It's rather odd that someone who arrives in a dinghy is suddenly terrified of the water - wonder why this fear never materialized on the beach in Calais.. It must be very frightening crossing the channel in a small boat which is always at risk of capsizing. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 8, 2023 10:47:43 GMT
It's rather odd that someone who arrives in a dinghy is suddenly terrified of the water - wonder why this fear never materialized on the beach in Calais.. It must be very frightening crossing the channel in a small boat which is always at risk of capsizing. Good...They are not invited we should do all we can the scare them shitless. |
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