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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 7, 2023 12:42:37 GMT
Still struggling a little bit to understand your point Dan. Is it simply as to whether someone who has not had their screening interview is formally an asylum seeker or formally still an illegal immigrant. Wasn't aware this shambles of a Government has even lost control of initial screening interviews and that what should be done pretty much instantly is now routinely left for months - during which time of course the british government pays for accommodation and the person seeking asylum is left in limbo. What an utter shambles. Yes, I believe that's more or less the case. Would-be asylum claimants are illegal immigrants (per the 1971 Act) until they pass into the asylum system via a screening interview.
The government is choosing to ignore the implications of a claimant having to wait perhaps months for a first interview. It's easier and less headline-worthy to simply stash them away all in hotels at the taxpayers expense.
On the other hand it's easy to see why they have taken this path of least resistance. What otherwise are they to do with them (the illegals)? They can't detain them and they can't deport them. Best just to sweep it under the carpet.
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Post by dappy on Aug 7, 2023 12:48:12 GMT
I think we are agreed that if what you report is widespread, it is an utter shambles. Neither in the Govt's or the claimants interests for the process not to get underway promptly.
It does seem on the whole asylum issue, this government are far more interested in grubbing for votes with "positive" headlines in the tabloids with ridiculously expensive "spectaculars" rather than just efficiently solving the problem
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 7, 2023 13:29:01 GMT
I think it is important to understand labour’s solution to the tory shambles would be to wave a magic wand and welcome a million new labour voters to tory marginal seats
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 13:31:53 GMT
I think it is important to understand labour’s solution to the tory shambles would be to wave a magic wand and welcome a million new labour voters to tory marginal seats Where do you get the 'million' number from? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 7, 2023 13:35:41 GMT
Labour are quite happy the illegal migrant crisis is a shambles, and they have no intentions of supporting anything the people want or the government.
Just like they did with COVID, it's all political point scoring with them, they used COVID as a political point scorer, hoping everything would go wrong so they could point the finger of blame at the Tories, just like they are doing with the illegal migrant crisis.
They think they can blame the government and we'll all run out and vote Labour .... it's dispicable to think Labour would rather people die of COIVD, families suffer, while they sit on the sidelines sniping at about the government, they didn't offer any alternatives during COVID, they didn't have any policies and no plans, they just gloated at the expense of families losing loved ones, that's Labour for you.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 7, 2023 13:52:40 GMT
According to the latest news only two alleged Asylum Seekers are on board the Barge, the others due to board today have refused to go aboard, what do they want a Suite in the Ritz ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 13:52:45 GMT
Red Rackham wrote ... "Would you be good enough to point out which law it is that enables people to pay criminals to get them from one safe country to another safe country in order to pretend to be Refugees/asylum seekers"
No where have I stated or suggested that there is anything legal about people smuggling, what I have stated is that the means of arriving in the country of choice of an Asylum Applicant, even if by an illegal means, does not render the Asylum Application void.
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Fairsociety wrote ... "HELLO!!!
They are coming from FRANCE, what war is raging in France?
Is Macron persecuting them, is their lives in danger ......... NO
To claim asylum, an asylum seeker must prove that they are unable to live safely in any area of their home or country of origin, due to a well-founded fear of persecution. The persecution must be as a result of: Your race/ ethnicity. Your religious beliefs
**That is NOT happening to them in France ^^
So they are illegal migrants with no valid legitimacy to claim Asylum in the UK ..... END OF
I understand where you are coming from, in that to cross the English Channel, an Asylum Seeker has come through France. Except, that we are governed by internationally agreed rules, and it doesent matter that an Asylum Seeker has come through one ... two ... or more safe countries.
France is not the home country of any of the Asylum Seekers - What this ridiculous government needs to start doing, is to work within the framework of the law, the international agreements, and it needs to get its finger out and find ways of working its way through the backlog of applicants, just as fast as other countries seem to be able to.
Our government does not make the international rules on Asylum or Refugees, they are mostly done via the United Nations, and we have to stick to them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 13:56:04 GMT
Labour are quite happy the illegal migrant crisis is a shambles, and they have no intentions of supporting anything the people want or the government. Just like they did with COVID, it's all political point scoring with them, they used COVID as a political point scorer, hoping everything would go wrong so they could point the finger of blame at the Tories, just like they are doing with the illegal migrant crisis. They think they can blame the government and we'll all run out and vote Labour .... it's dispicable to think Labour would rather people die of COIVD, families suffer, while they sit on the sidelines sniping at about the government, they didn't offer any alternatives during COVID, they didn't have any policies and no plans, they just gloated at the expense of families losing loved ones, that's Labour for you. So you are saying the people of this country 'do not want to stop' the boats crossing the channel? Labour are not supporting the treatment the asylum seekers are enduring under the Tory policies. Labour have told the government what they should be doing and what they would do. Covid was a paradise for Tory cronyism. Why would Labour 'rather' people die during Covid, that does not make any sense and as for the 'sniping line that is just typical Tory rhetoric. Labour are the opposition party and if they think the government of the day are doing something the wrong way they have a duty to 'oppose' what the government is doing, do you not understand that? They offered a lot of alternative during Covid just as they are doing with the 'asylum seeker' problem. The opposition party does not have 'policies' they can only say what they would do if in power and they did. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 13:56:48 GMT
According to the latest news only two alleged Asylum Seekers are on board the Barge, the others due to board today have refused to go aboard, what do they want a Suite in the Ritz ? Do we know why they have refused to board? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2023 13:57:04 GMT
1) You would accept though Sandy that there is no such thing as an alleged asylum seeker? 2) You would also accept that while his/her claim for asylum is being assessed, he/she has the right to be in this country? 1) Not sure on that, the alleged is to do with perception as opposed to the purely descriptive terms of the people. There is a belief that many are taking the Michael wholesale and that their claims are basically dishonest. (please note I did not say all). I suppose we could replace alleged with so called. The fact we allow so many claims is largely I would suggest because it is easier and it stops years of human rights legal action to stop deportation. Realistically that is not a good reason to grant refugee status. 2) No they do not have a right to be in the country, we allow them to be in the country as per OUR international agreements that is a duty incumbent upon us it is not a right devolved to those who say they are seeking asylum. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 7, 2023 13:59:49 GMT
According to the latest news only two alleged Asylum Seekers are on board the Barge, the others due to board today have refused to go aboard, what do they want a Suite in the Ritz ? Do we know why they have refused to board? Press a couple of keys and find out for yourself, lazy bugger |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2023 14:02:39 GMT
What is the statute in UK law that makes illegal someone currently overseas paying a people smuggler to get him across the channel. As far as I know it doesn't exist but willing to be proven wrong. And if it is a crime it isn't taking place in the UK, so we wouldn't have any jurisdiction. Unless of course the criminal was residing in the UK, or working from the UK, or accompanying the boats. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2023 14:05:38 GMT
According to the latest news only two alleged Asylum Seekers are on board the Barge, the others due to board today have refused to go aboard, what do they want a Suite in the Ritz ? Do we know why they have refused to board? The asylum seekers have a responsibility under the convention to go where the receiving nation directs them in terms of residence. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 7, 2023 14:13:57 GMT
Labour are quite happy the illegal migrant crisis is a shambles, and they have no intentions of supporting anything the people want or the government. Just like they did with COVID, it's all political point scoring with them, they used COVID as a political point scorer, hoping everything would go wrong so they could point the finger of blame at the Tories, just like they are doing with the illegal migrant crisis. They think they can blame the government and we'll all run out and vote Labour .... it's dispicable to think Labour would rather people die of COIVD, families suffer, while they sit on the sidelines sniping at about the government, they didn't offer any alternatives during COVID, they didn't have any policies and no plans, they just gloated at the expense of families losing loved ones, that's Labour for you.
Labour are not supporting the treatment the asylum seekers are enduring under the Tory policies.Labour have told the government what they should be doing and what they would do. Covid was a paradise for Tory cronyism. Why would Labour 'rather' people die during Covid, that does not make any sense and as for the 'sniping line that is just typical Tory rhetoric. Labour are the opposition party and if they think the government of the day are doing something the wrong way they have a duty to 'oppose' what the government is doing, do you not understand that? They offered a lot of alternative during Covid just as they are doing with the 'asylum seeker' problem. The opposition party does not have 'policies' they can only say what they would do if in power and they did. NO, I'm saying Labour do not want to stop the boats crossing the channel.
Labour have admitted they are going to use the 'barge'. of 'illegal migrants'
Labour might have been in opposition during COVID, but that doesn't mean they could do nothing. They just sat back and said 'with any luck the Tories will fuck this up, and we'll make political ground out of it' .... they had no intentions of helping during COVID, what good would that have done them in the polls, they wanted every Tory plan to fail, and they didn't care one jot about those who would suffer as a consequence .......... FACT.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 7, 2023 14:15:02 GMT
I think it is important to understand labour’s solution to the tory shambles would be to wave a magic wand and welcome a million new labour voters to tory marginal seats Where do you get the 'million' number from? all the illegals coming out of the woodwork to claim their £1600 a month untaxed unmeanstested basic income and free legal assistance to fight what should be done to the freeloaders |
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