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Post by thomas on Mar 17, 2023 9:26:23 GMT
Regarding Northern Ireland. The last referendum on whether Northern Ireland should unite with the Republic, was fifty years and eight days ago. A generation has passed. Give them another. If they leave? Excellent, the UVF and UDA cease to be our problem and become a problem for the Republic instead. Ireland is not geographically part of Great Britain. The people of Northern Ireland are Irish, not British. pity you dont have that same flippant dismissal of the scottish cash cow that you do the 6 county part of the yookay. I suppose reluctantly you are coming around to accepting the uk in its current forms "demise " with the eu annexation of northern ireland.
Your problem vinny is the same as london politicians problem in that while you dont really want the irish , if the 6 countys do go officially , then it could bring the whole house of british cards right down about you.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2023 9:35:05 GMT
Scotland is not a cash cow.
Scotland is a net beneficiary of the Barnett formula and you'd scream the place down if it was replaced with something fair, SNAT.
The English (whom you hate) contribute the bulk of £51.2 bn to Scotland in sales.
You need the English.
Scotland wants the Union and voted to keep it.
You are a racist.
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Post by thomas on Mar 17, 2023 9:50:23 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2023 10:50:23 GMT
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Post by thomas on Mar 18, 2023 16:48:16 GMT
^ The region of Scotland would be fucked without English customers. For all of scotland exported goods barring wood and paper products , the rUK is already a less important customer than the rest of the world.
The eu was a far bigger customer for scotland than the rUK for scotlands distilled spirits , fuels ,chemicals , computers , pharmaceuticals optical components etc.
So what are you talking about now vinny? Im still happy to sell you electricity , oil ,gas and water etc if you like mate.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2023 17:10:06 GMT
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Post by thomas on Mar 18, 2023 19:08:51 GMT
so what are you saying vinny , that we couldnt do what the irish did , grow our trade with the eu and the rest of the world so much that the republics trade with the eu is five times greater than its trade with the uk , which again used to be its main captive audience trading partner?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2023 19:12:35 GMT
^   / The numbers speak for themselves racist.
You have no economic or social case for your agenda.
In the unlikely event that Scotland were to join the EU it would be in competition with countries whose labour costs are far cheaper and manufacturers would leave.
Meaning far less Scottish exports to anywhere and far more imports.
EU competition law would necessitate more privatisation (and that would just suit you little Snational Socialists right down to the ground, wouldn't it? ) you don't even know the most basic facts.
You're driven by hate, not sense.
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Post by thomas on Mar 18, 2023 19:25:38 GMT
^ The numbers speak for themselves racist.
You have no economic or social case for your agenda.
In the unlikely event that Scotland were to join the EU it would be in competition with countries whose labour costs are far cheaper and manufacturers would leave.
Meaning far less Scottish exports to anywhere and far more imports.
EU competition law would necessitate more privatisation (and that would just suit you little Snational Socialists right down to the ground, wouldn't it? ) you don't even know the most basic facts.
You're driven by hate, not sense.
Vinny , you arent adressing my point. The bulk of irelands imports and exports were to/from the uk prior to 1922. Over the years , especially when it went on to becomepart of the EEC , it grew its exports so much so that the EU today accounts for 5 times greater its trade with the uk. That has also grown , despite people like you threatening them and not wanting them to leave.
Are you trying to suggest scotland couldnt do the same?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2023 19:33:27 GMT
Ireland is nothing compared to Scotland. oec.world/en/profile/country/irlIreland has exports worth £71.75 billion a year. Scotland has exports of £85bn. You want to model Scotland on Ireland? Scotland would take a serious economic hit. You are delusional and do not understand politics, economics, trade, or the fact that if you were to join the EU manufacturers would leave. Why would they leave? Because in Eastern Europe Labour costs are cheaper and because Scotland is presently run by tax and spend morons who would raise all taxes to insane levels in order to splash out on the civil service. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 18, 2023 19:43:20 GMT
Well aye vinny we know scotland is bigger with more natural resources , but again you willfully ingnore the fact if they can diversify trade with the ruk after indy why cant we?
We also export five times per head more than what england does .
most scots also think we would be better off independent of the yookay and inside the EU.
This result shows there is a clear appetite in Scotland to reconnect with our European partners. Previous polling by Believe in Scotland showed that 97% of those who moved from No in 2014 to Yes did so because of Brexit and that they believe an independent Scotland should rejoin the EU. This is a clear pathway to increase support for independence and the Yes movement must grab the opportunity with both hands. Brexit regret is rife across the UK as the economic fallout from Brexit is coming to light and with Scotland having been torn from the EU against our will, it is only right that the desire of Scots to be back inside the EU is felt more strongly now than ever before.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2023 19:49:01 GMT
Hilarious, you've ignored the points again in favour of some cheap and unimportant poll.
Ireland doesn't export anywhere near as much as Scotland currently does.
Labour costs in Eastern Europe are far lower as are taxes.
It's far cheaper to manufacture in Poland than it is in Perth.
How do you expect to compete with Poland, Bulgaria, Latvia?
You can't. It's impossible.
If you were to break away from the UK, you'd put trade barriers up with England because there would be customs checks which Scotland would have to pay for.
You'd have to pay billions in membership each year to the EU.
And you'd lose your manufacturing industry.
Scotland would be a burned out husk.
And the SNATs would never get elected to so much as a parish council ever again.
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Post by thomas on Mar 18, 2023 19:52:41 GMT
Hilarious, you've ignored the points again in favour of some cheap and unimportant poll.
Ireland doesn't export anywhere near as much as Scotland currently does.
Labour costs in Eastern Europe are far lower as are taxes.
It's far cheaper to manufacture in Poland than it is in Perth.
How do you expect to compete with Poland, Bulgaria, Latvia?
You can't. It's impossible.
If you were to break away from the UK, you'd put trade barriers up with England because there would be customs checks which Scotland would have to pay for.
You'd have to pay billions in membership each year to the EU.
And you'd lose your manufacturing industry.
Scotland would be a burned out husk.
And the SNATs would never get elected to so much as a parish council ever again.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2023 19:56:00 GMT
Like I said.
And you ignore these points in favour of another worthless graphic which doesn't address the point.
You are in a cult.
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Post by thomas on Mar 18, 2023 20:02:47 GMT
Like I said. And you ignore these points in favour of another worthless graphic which doesn't address the point. You are in a cult. what is your point? An independent ireland is that shite it should rejoin the uk? From what i can see not only do they not want to rejoin ( i wonder why) their country is thriving outside the uk and inside the EU.
We need labour in scotland. We need immigration. I cant wait to rejoin our beloved european union and get our country away from you absolute kipper bnp type headbangers and your hatred of our european people.
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