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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 31, 2023 9:15:43 GMT
...still fighting the good fight.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 31, 2023 9:30:37 GMT
You have a labour shortage because you are paying less than your competitors. ...or because nearly half a million men and women died, and many more were crippled, fighting fascism. You have a labour shortage because one has conscripted the labour by way of National Service into the army and sent them to foreign soils. It would have been much more sensible to seek to place the Windrush generation into the army and keep the young British men at home to gain the skills needed here and to fill the labour market. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 31, 2023 10:12:19 GMT
There are no Windrush victims. Just more woke shittery.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 31, 2023 12:32:29 GMT
Maybe they should give Farage enough to re-open his Coutes account Windrush people have been well compensated for what was their own stupidity The majority of immigrants who came to the UK from the Caribbean were BRITISH PEOPLE before they ever set off to come here, they were born as British people and sang God save the Queen / King. I would say that been compensated with a figure of £50,000 for been told you are no longer British because you cannot produce a passport to prove it, is Peanuts. Then to be arrested, detained and sent to your country of origin, and in many cases a country that they had never been to is something our government should be ashamed of. Why did our government back in the day not issue British subjects from the Caribbean who emigrated here with some official documentation, a certificate of Right Of Abode, a Passport, The whole sordid affair is 100% the fault of this country and the UK government i was under the impression those who came here on that ship and their descendents had it spelled out to them that they needed to establish their right to be here. It was after all their countrymen who sought not to remain colonials and thus caused the problem, compounded by Heaths Immigration Act of 1971 grant you but still a problem of their making not mine. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 31, 2023 12:43:08 GMT
My aunt was a Windrush immigrant. They were offered numerous opportunities to apply for British citizenship in what was essentially a rubber stamping exercise.
My aunt filled in the forms and got her citizenship. Meanwhile, some of her friends and relatives didn't bother and for multiple decades they kept their original nationalities and then found that as non UK nationals they had no right to be here.
Well, who knew? 🙄
Victims. My arse.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 31, 2023 13:14:23 GMT
The Windrush Generation were not British citizens for the straightforward reason that British citizenship did not exist until 1981. Check a British passport issued prior to 1981 and the holder will be described as a British subject, not a citizen.
West Indians, and others, were included in the category of British subject and citizen of the United Kingdom and its Colonies (CUKC) following the BNA of 1948. However they lost that status once their place of birth became an independent territory, as Jamaica did in 1962 and British Guyana did in 1966.
But I agree that most were too thick or too lazy to regularise their status by applying for 'Right of Abode in the UK' which would have resolved all their future issues at a stroke.
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Post by patman post on Jul 31, 2023 13:18:07 GMT
The statement was ''their own stupidity''. I'm waiting to hear why they were stupid. Were they stupid to think they would be treated fairly by a Conservative government because they were black? I can believe that. Further to Handymans comment the immigrants didn't get clarification on their legal status for either themselves or their children . Some did , got British passports or leave to remain . The problem came about with the changes in immigration law that saw people without documentation revert to their previous status . That being their country of origin . I ask you who would go and live in another country without clarifying their legal status ? As I said, stupid You're forgetting the time — there were millions of displaced people moving throughout the world after WWII. Papers had been important, but when peace and safer times came and work became a priority, paper continuity probably didn't seem so vital.
My grandfather and a great uncle came from Jamaica and joined the RAF during WWII. Grandfather married a nurse from British Guiana, and my mother was born here. His brother returned to Jamaica after the war, but returned to London after a couple of years. As far as I am aware, none had any great troubles with paperwork — though there was once a bit of a hiccup when the passport office lost my Mum's passport and renewal application... |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 31, 2023 13:23:13 GMT
The Windrush Generation were not British citizens for the straightforward reason that British citizenship did not exist until 1981. Check a British passport issued prior to 1981 and the holder will be described as a British subject, not a citizen. West Indians, and others, were included in the category of British subject and citizen of the United Kingdom and its Colonies (CUKC) following the BNA of 1948. However they lost that status once their place of birth became an independent territory, as Jamaica did in 1962 and British Guyana did in 1966. But I agree that most were too thick or too lazy to regularise their status by applying for 'Right of Abode in the UK' which would have resolved all their future issues at a stroke. Which is exactly why I said ''British subjects''. You make a point without a point. None of it detracts from the fact they were perfectly entitled to come here and work in a time of our need for more, mainly unskilled, workers. Nor is it relevant to those 2nd generation Windrush victims who were deported despite being born here. You think the Tory government would have paid compensation up to a hundred grand to people with no case? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 31, 2023 13:31:31 GMT
Yes it's hard to understand how they applied for all the necessary paper work including passports to go back and fourth to Jamaica, yet didn't bother to fill in the relevant paper work required for Britain.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 31, 2023 13:43:35 GMT
Further to Handymans comment the immigrants didn't get clarification on their legal status for either themselves or their children . Some did , got British passports or leave to remain . The problem came about with the changes in immigration law that saw people without documentation revert to their previous status . That being their country of origin . I ask you who would go and live in another country without clarifying their legal status ? As I said, stupid You're forgetting the time — there were millions of displaced people moving throughout the world after WWII. Papers had been important, but when peace and safer times came and work became a priority, paper continuity probably didn't seem so vital.
My grandfather and a great uncle came from Jamaica and joined the RAF during WWII. Grandfather married a nurse from British Guiana, and my mother was born here. His brother returned to Jamaica after the war, but returned to London after a couple of years. As far as I am aware, none had any great troubles with paperwork — though there was once a bit of a hiccup when the passport office lost my Mum's passport and renewal application... Well exactly. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jul 31, 2023 13:47:03 GMT
Further to Handymans comment the immigrants didn't get clarification on their legal status for either themselves or their children . Some did , got British passports or leave to remain . The problem came about with the changes in immigration law that saw people without documentation revert to their previous status . That being their country of origin . I ask you who would go and live in another country without clarifying their legal status ? As I said, stupid You're forgetting the time — there were millions of displaced people moving throughout the world after WWII. Papers had been important, but when peace and safer times came and work became a priority, paper continuity probably didn't seem so vital.
My grandfather and a great uncle came from Jamaica and joined the RAF during WWII. Grandfather married a nurse from British Guiana, and my mother was born here. His brother returned to Jamaica after the war, but returned to London after a couple of years. As far as I am aware, none had any great troubles with paperwork — though there was once a bit of a hiccup when the passport office lost my Mum's passport and renewal application... Well there you go then , none had any great troubles with the paper work . It wasn't that hard to get it right dispite the times they were living in Yes the British government could have shown a bit of empathy to those who had laid down roots in the UK but they were not legally obliged to so the matter of compo is closed . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2023 18:18:23 GMT
My aunt was a Windrush immigrant. They were offered numerous opportunities to apply for British citizenship in what was essentially a rubber stamping exercise. My aunt filled in the forms and got her citizenship. Meanwhile, some of her friends and relatives didn't bother and for multiple decades they kept their original nationalities and then found that as non UK nationals they had no right to be here. Well, who knew? 🙄 Victims. My arse. BUT .... every one of those people who arrived on The Empire Windrush WERE UK Nationals ( as you put it ), but in reality there is no such thing as a "UK National", only a "British Citizen". All Jamaican people who arrived in the UK from the time of the first arrivals on The Empire Windrush in 1948, up until 1962 were British people, all of whom had the right to come to the UK to live. So could I perhaps ask .... WHY would a British person need to have proof that they had a right to live in the UK ? I personally do not hold a UK passport, but my birth is registered in a Yorkshire registry office, just as every one of those people would be registered in a Jamaican registry office. They were picked on, and victimised by a quasi-racist Tory government because of only one reason - they were black |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 31, 2023 19:44:52 GMT
My aunt was a Windrush immigrant. They were offered numerous opportunities to apply for British citizenship in what was essentially a rubber stamping exercise. My aunt filled in the forms and got her citizenship. Meanwhile, some of her friends and relatives didn't bother and for multiple decades they kept their original nationalities and then found that as non UK nationals they had no right to be here. Well, who knew? 🙄 Victims. My arse. BUT .... every one of those people who arrived on The Empire Windrush WERE UK Nationals ( as you put it ), but in reality there is no such thing as a "UK National", only a "British Citizen". All Jamaican people who arrived in the UK from the time of the first arrivals on The Empire Windrush in 1948, up until 1962 were British people, all of whom had the right to come to the UK to live. So could I perhaps ask .... WHY would a British person need to have proof that they had a right to live in the UK ? I personally do not hold a UK passport, but my birth is registered in a Yorkshire registry office, just as every one of those people would be registered in a Jamaican registry office. They were picked on, and victimised by a quasi-racist Tory government because of only one reason - they were black So if they were British Citizens with identical rights and responsibilities of those living here already why were very few of them conscripted for National Service whereby careers, apprenticeships and actual jobs were interrupted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2023 20:13:48 GMT
BUT .... every one of those people who arrived on The Empire Windrush WERE UK Nationals ( as you put it ), but in reality there is no such thing as a "UK National", only a "British Citizen". All Jamaican people who arrived in the UK from the time of the first arrivals on The Empire Windrush in 1948, up until 1962 were British people, all of whom had the right to come to the UK to live. So could I perhaps ask .... WHY would a British person need to have proof that they had a right to live in the UK ? I personally do not hold a UK passport, but my birth is registered in a Yorkshire registry office, just as every one of those people would be registered in a Jamaican registry office. They were picked on, and victimised by a quasi-racist Tory government because of only one reason - they were black So if they were British Citizens with identical rights and responsibilities of those living here already why were very few of them conscripted for National Service whereby careers, apprenticeships and actual jobs were interrupted. The Bill which went through Parliament during the Second World War applied conscription to men up to the age of 40 on "British Subjects" from Great Britain and The Isle Of Man only, it did not apply to British subjects in the colonies or to British subjects in Northern Ireland. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 31, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
So if they were British Citizens with identical rights and responsibilities of those living here already why were very few of them conscripted for National Service whereby careers, apprenticeships and actual jobs were interrupted. The Bill which went through Parliament during the Second World War applied conscription to men up to the age of 40 on "British Subjects" from Great Britain and The Isle Of Man only, it did not apply to British subjects in the colonies or to British subjects in Northern Ireland. But they were not in the colonies they were in Britain and as such according to you they were identical British subjects and should have had identical responsibilities as well as rights. Why would parliament exclude them from service if they did not accept in principle that British subjects were not the same and what they were depended on where they were from. |
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