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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2023 6:34:02 GMT
looks like every party leader this morning has something to cheer them up about - and things to worry them as well.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 21, 2023 7:01:54 GMT
looks like every party leader this morning has something to cheer them up about - and things to worry them as well. indeed In Somerton for example the Labour party succeeded in suffering a ten per cent drop in its vote, reducing it to only just over half the number of votes needed to keep their deposit, at 2.6 per fent of the vote. Hardly a result indicative of forthcoming triumph at the polls. Honestly, given the way the country has been shat on, Starmer should have romped home in all three, making hay out of Clegg’s unholy alliance with Cameron as reason not to trust the lib dems ever again. Instead, oh dear. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 21, 2023 7:10:14 GMT
LOL and the turnout was?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 7:27:03 GMT
The fact that the seat needing the smallest swing for the Tories to lose is the one they held is entirely down to public dissatisfaction with ULEZ, aka the pricing the poor off the road scheme. This should be seen as a shot across the bows for Sadiq.
That the Tories lost the true blue Selby is clearly a harbinger of disaster for them outside London where ULEZ might shore up the Tory vote.
And the loss of the one in the West Country to the Lib Dems likewise. That the former went Labour at all and the latter went massively Lib Dem is not fully a sign of the popularity of each party as a whole but the product of anti-Tory tactical voting in each. In Selby, many Lib Dem supporters fell in behind Labour to get the Tories out, whilst in the westcountry seat Labour supporters fell in behind the Lib Dems for the same purpose.
Far from being a sign of the latter being bad for Labour, such tactical voting on a nationwide basis would be great for Labour. More worrying for them is the possible risk of anti-Labour protest voting in the London area over ULEZ.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 21, 2023 7:31:41 GMT
Maybe but on the other hand waiting a few days before to get the new illegal immigration bill through was not such a great voter move when they had dragged it on for months and left everyone frustrated instead.
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Post by dappy on Jul 21, 2023 7:32:25 GMT
Meanwhile back in the land of reality…..
The Libs overturned a massive majority in Somerton - they will be delighted with yesterdays results
Labour overturned their biggest ever Tory majority in Selby - shocking result for the Tories
In Uxbridge a local issue of great importance to the electorate trumped party politics. That feels like good news for democracy and a lesson for both parties.
In all three elections the centre left voters got their act together and tactically voted for the anti Tory party that could win. If they can reproduce In a General Election,that would be bad news for the Tories.
The right wing parties - reform, reclaim UKIP again performed very badly. With FPTP they look incapable of being relevant at elections.
Unsurprising given the polls, a very bad night for the Tories. 15 months to the election maybe - something needs to change quickly for them.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 21, 2023 7:33:25 GMT
Nothing unexpected in the results, then.
Still, there's always the incidental pleasure of seeing Laurence Fox lose his deposit (again).
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2023 7:36:22 GMT
What this again shows is that like, previous by-elections, the Tory support is staying at home and sitting on their hands.
13 years of failing to deliver any actual conservative polices is killing any chance of the Tory Party winning in 2024 - and rightly so.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 21, 2023 7:42:12 GMT
johnofgwent
I'd agree with the use of the term 'succeeded'. Is there not already an unofficial pact in operation whereby Labour & the Lib Dems cooperate to push all votes towards whichever of them have the best chance of winning a particular seat?
In Somerton Labour's campaigning would have been next to non-existent, just as in Honiton & Tiverton when the Tory majority of 24,000 was overturned with the help of funnelling everything toward the Lib Dems, and almost hiding the fact that Labour were putting up a candidate at all ..... Lib Dem leaflets through your letterbox every other day, one small Labour communication throughout the whole campaign. It's as close as they can get from standing down their candidate without actually doing so.
And with the SNP now being the party of dodgy finances and transgenderism, Sir Keir realises that Sir Ed is his best bet to get a majority over the Tories when General Election time arrives. And why not ?, economic policy would continue down much the same path as Sunak/Hunt are sending us, and Labour & Lib Dems are both signed up to pushing the Woke cause, and taking as big a steps as they can get away with toward realigning us with the EU, and toward the eventual goal of rejoining. I'm viewing Lab/LibDem as one entity as far as their strategy towards ousting the Tories is concerned.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 21, 2023 7:51:58 GMT
johnofgwent I'd agree with the use of the term 'succeeded'. Is there not already an unofficial pact in operation whereby Labour & the Lib Dems cooperate to push all votes towards whichever of them have the best chance of winning a particular seat? In Somerton Labour's campaigning would have been next to non-existent, just as in Honiton & Tiverton when the Tory majority of 24,000 was overturned with the help of funnelling everything toward the Lib Dems, and almost hiding the fact that Labour were putting up a candidate at all ..... Lib Dem leaflets through your letterbox every other day, one small Labour communication throughout the whole campaign. It's as close as they can get from standing down their candidate without actually doing so. And with the SNP now being the party of dodgy finances and transgenderism, Sir Keir realises that Sir Ed is his best bet to get a majority over the Tories when General Election time arrives. And why not ?, economic policy would continue down much the same path as Sunak/Hunt are sending us, and Labour & Lib Dems are both signed up to pushing the Woke cause, and taking as big a steps as they can get away with toward realigning us with the EU, and toward the eventual goal of rejoining. I'm viewing Lab/LibDem as one entity as far as their strategy towards ousting the Tories is concerned. So what you’re saying is not so much as a fag paper between the three parties,I’d agree with that. Meanwhile the plebs (us) look on and shake their heads in cynical resignation. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 21, 2023 8:07:37 GMT
johnofgwent I'd agree with the use of the term 'succeeded'. Is there not already an unofficial pact in operation whereby Labour & the Lib Dems cooperate to push all votes towards whichever of them have the best chance of winning a particular seat? In Somerton Labour's campaigning would have been next to non-existent, just as in Honiton & Tiverton when the Tory majority of 24,000 was overturned with the help of funnelling everything toward the Lib Dems, and almost hiding the fact that Labour were putting up a candidate at all ..... Lib Dem leaflets through your letterbox every other day, one small Labour communication throughout the whole campaign. It's as close as they can get from standing down their candidate without actually doing so. And with the SNP now being the party of dodgy finances and transgenderism, Sir Keir realises that Sir Ed is his best bet to get a majority over the Tories when General Election time arrives. And why not ?, economic policy would continue down much the same path as Sunak/Hunt are sending us, and Labour & Lib Dems are both signed up to pushing the Woke cause, and taking as big a steps as they can get away with toward realigning us with the EU, and toward the eventual goal of rejoining. I'm viewing Lab/LibDem as one entity as far as their strategy towards ousting the Tories is concerned. So what you’re saying is not so much as a fag paper between the three parties,I’d agree with that. Meanwhile the plebs (us) look on and shake their heads in cynical resignation. If covid didn't teach them that they are powerless against the government whoever is said to be in power, nothing will, they all voted to create the very situation. It would seem most people have now realised they are just being used to vote for the same thing time and time again. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 21, 2023 8:10:35 GMT
Khan is losing Labour London support, even Rayner is saying that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 8:11:32 GMT
The only reason the Tories won in Johnsons seat was by campaigning against their own policy.🤣
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 21, 2023 8:16:34 GMT
Well if the Tories can pull of getting to grips with interest rate rises, cost of living crisis, energy bills, and the illegal migrants, I think Labour could be in trouble, just about the next GE time, if things are looking up for people, they wouldn't want to risk it by putting in a incompetent Labour government.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 8:21:02 GMT
A 3 way challenge and a 3 way win. Labour and Libdems picked their prizes before the poll and threw everything at them in order to secure them. The Conservatives are still busy congratulating themselves on dismissing Boris and Rishi is about as dynamic as a wet lettuce while most Conservative MPs are job hunting in readiness having decided they all want a holiday.
Labour and Libdems will choose their battles at the next GE in order to oust the Conservatives but split the spoils. Putting babes in power has been the downfall of politics since Blair. Career politicians who left their nicely lefty uni indoctrination believing that they are the world's answer to every problem will do nothing for the state of Westminster. There should be an age restriction to allow for at least some life/work experience rather than seeing the job as an easy route to high earnings when they quit.
Disillusion is politics biggest enemy and it is becoming endemic - starting in Westminster.
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