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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2023 15:54:38 GMT
Work has stopped on one of the UK's largest offshore wind farms after its developer said that the cost of the project had soared by so much it no longer made financial sense to push forward. Swedish energy giant Vattenfall, one of Europe’s biggest wind producers, said that the market conditions had deteriorated since it signed a contract that fixes the price of the electricity it sells for 15 years. It will shut down work on the development of the Norfolk Boreas site, Vattenfall said, and will review two other projects in the area, known as Vanguard East and Vanguard West. www.independent.co.uk/business/plans-stopped-on-one-of-uk-s-biggest-wind-farms-as-costs-soar-b2378799.htmlWill this fantastically expensive project be abandoned? Or will the government pump in more cash and make wind power even more expensive. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 20, 2023 16:16:28 GMT
It never made 'financial sense', it was one of those EU/UK green taxes that the elite all enjoyed raking in, rinsing the consumer for 'green' taxes which was a stealth tax, on some barmy notion that a 300ft fan stuck in the middle of the sea or dry land would solve our energy crisis, all I can say is ....... MUGS ... hahahahahah
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2023 16:18:46 GMT
It never made 'financial sense', it was one of those EU/UK green taxes that the elite all enjoyed raking in, rinsing the consumer for 'green' taxes which was a stealth tax, on some barmy notion that a 300ft fan stuck in the middle of the sea or dry land would solve our energy crisis, all I can say is ....... MUGS ... hahahahahah Absolutely agree, the true cost of wind turbines was always kept out of the public domain. Only the benefits were talked about, never the costs. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 20, 2023 16:20:39 GMT
The wind turbine scam has been sussed now it's the new heat pump scam, FFS when are we going to stop falling for all of this crap, we are never going to get cheap energy, never ever, because it makes too many people, in too many countries wealthy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 16:42:42 GMT
Wind Farm construction continues to go ahead on a vast scale in the North Sea, the Dogger Bank project when complete, will be the largest offshore wind farm in the world, and will be capable of supplying 6 million homes annualy.
It is providing a huge boost for employment and investment on the Humber, the Tees and in Scotland
If Labour come to power at the next election, the default answer to ONSHORE wind turbines will be Yes, unless there is good and valid reasons for objections, which will not include "visual impact".
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 20, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
Onshore windfarms have already meant the loss of 16 million trees in Scotland alone - rather ironic when we are being told to plant trees to increase CO2 capture...
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 20, 2023 16:52:03 GMT
The only means of getting cheap energy is stirring us straight in the face or rather just look up to the sky, it's called the sun.
We could harvest as much FREE energy as we wanted if we invested the money, but we don't want to invest in harvesting energy from the sun, because the sun does not belong to 'anyone' it can't be trademarked, no country can declare it as 'theirs', it can't be patented, you see the sun is FREE energy, and who is going to get rich giving away Free energy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 17:51:20 GMT
A guy at the end of my road lives off grid. It's a chalet style light build bungalow with solar panels on the roof which can provide 70 Amps at 24v (1.68kW) at best.
There's only him and his dog and they do very well without being on the grid. Sometimes, in winter he will use a generator to top up.
As we only use an average of 4kWh a day I would love to do the same. We have a large expanse of South facing roof, so it could be viable. I wonder how an inverter handles high loads above 2kW.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 20, 2023 18:07:55 GMT
A guy at the end of my road lives off grid. It's a chalet style light build bungalow with solar panels on the roof which can provide 70 Amps at 24v (1.68kW) at best. There's only him and his dog and they do very well without being on the grid. Sometimes, in winter he will use a generator to top up. As we only use an average of 4kWh a day I would love to do the same. We have a large expanse of South facing roof, so it could be viable. I wonder how an inverter handles high loads above 2kW. Absolutely, if you built a house from scratch using solar or 'sun' energy as your key core of supply, you'd be virtually paying 'nothing' for your energy.
As I have stated why would any government world wide invest in projects that give its people 'Free' energy, it would bring the world to its knees, we are too heavily reliant on the energy industry, it's a 'world wide' provider of jobs...
Shell reported a record $40 billion (£32.5 billion) profit in 2022, capping a turbulent year in which a rise in energy prices following Russia's invasion of Ukraine allowed it to provide shareholders with unheard-of profits.
Exxon, the Texas-based oil giant, led the way with a record $55.7bn in annual profit, taking home about $6.3m every hour last year. California's Chevron had a record $36.5bn profit, while Shell announced the best results of its 115-year history, a $39.9bn surplus, and BP, another London-based firm, notched a $27.7b
British Gas making a profit
Operating profits of £3.3bn were recorded at the company, up from £948m in 2021, and surpassing the firm's previous highest ever yearly profit of £2.7bn, posted in 2012. The oil and gas producer has been helped by high energy prices. Wholesale gas costs had risen to new highs in the wake of the war in Ukraine
**Yes the Sun can get stuffed, how can you possibly make money out of FREE energy.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2023 19:22:28 GMT
Wind Farm construction continues to go ahead on a vast scale in the North Sea, the Dogger Bank project when complete, will be the largest offshore wind farm in the world, and will be capable of supplying 6 million homes annualy. It is providing a huge boost for employment and investment on the Humber, the Tees and in Scotland If Labour come to power at the next election, the default answer to ONSHORE wind turbines will be Yes, unless there is good and valid reasons for objections, which will not include "visual impact". Have you the faintest idea of the costs involved with unreliable wind power? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 22, 2023 7:02:30 GMT
Unreliable you say?...  |
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Post by Orac on Jul 22, 2023 9:59:10 GMT
The only means of getting cheap energy is stirring us straight in the face or rather just look up to the sky, it's called the sun. We could harvest as much FREE energy as we wanted if we invested the money, but we don't want to invest in harvesting energy from the sun, because the sun does not belong to 'anyone' it can't be trademarked, no country can declare it as 'theirs', it can't be patented, you see the sun is FREE energy, and who is going to get rich giving away Free energy? None of the 'renewable' options are panaceas. I have no idea why you are using the word 'free' in this context. Something isn't free if you have to expend resources to get it. Solar is no exception. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 22, 2023 10:26:54 GMT
The only means of getting cheap energy is stirring us straight in the face or rather just look up to the sky, it's called the sun. We could harvest as much FREE energy as we wanted if we invested the money, but we don't want to invest in harvesting energy from the sun, because the sun does not belong to 'anyone' it can't be trademarked, no country can declare it as 'theirs', it can't be patented, you see the sun is FREE energy, and who is going to get rich giving away Free energy? None of the 'renewable' options are panaceas. I have no idea why you are using the word 'free' in this context. Something isn't free if you have to expend resources to get it. Solar is no exception. I did say you would have to 'invest' in the infrastructure first, I mean we've been ploughing 'investment' into Green projects for years, all to no avail, in fact if anything the cost of energy is going up not down.
Yes initially it would cost probably a few billion, but in the scale of what it has cost us so far with useless wind turbines, useless heat pumps, and other nonsensical green nonsense it would be billions worth investing. Once you had the infrastructure in place to harness the suns 'FREE' energy, baring in mind the sun is not going to bill us for its use, our bills would drop dramatically if all we were paying for was standing charge and not the energy itself. Makes perfect sense and investment for the future.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 22, 2023 10:32:24 GMT
Wind power is intermittent, to make it viable requires high capacity slow release storage.
There are new battery technologies that are far better than convnetional lithium ion that are starting to look like they'll be commercially available in the next few years.
Battery technologies offering long life, fast charge and no thermal runaway problems.
With something in place to charge up and supply power on demand, wind turbines would become viable.
At present they have serious drawbacks.
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Post by Orac on Jul 22, 2023 10:37:40 GMT
None of the 'renewable' options are panaceas. I have no idea why you are using the word 'free' in this context. Something isn't free if you have to expend resources to get it. Solar is no exception. I did say you would have to 'invest' in the infrastructure first, I mean we've been ploughing 'investment' into Green projects for years, all to no avail, in fact if anything the cost of energy is going up not down.
Yes initially it would cost probably a few billion, but in the scale of what it has cost us so far with useless wind turbines, useless heat pumps, and other nonsensical green nonsense it would be billions worth investing. Once you had the infrastructure in place to harness the suns 'FREE' energy, baring in mind the sun is not going to bill us for its use, our bills would drop dramatically if all we were paying for was standing charge and not the energy itself. Makes perfect sense and investment for the future.
The sun doesn't bill us for sunlight, but, at the same time, the Earth doesn't bill us for coal or oil. They all cost resources to collect. There is no 'free' way to harness usable energy. |
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