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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 22, 2023 11:14:03 GMT
I did say you would have to 'invest' in the infrastructure first, I mean we've been ploughing 'investment' into Green projects for years, all to no avail, in fact if anything the cost of energy is going up not down.
Yes initially it would cost probably a few billion, but in the scale of what it has cost us so far with useless wind turbines, useless heat pumps, and other nonsensical green nonsense it would be billions worth investing. Once you had the infrastructure in place to harness the suns 'FREE' energy, baring in mind the sun is not going to bill us for its use, our bills would drop dramatically if all we were paying for was standing charge and not the energy itself. Makes perfect sense and investment for the future.
The sun doesn't bill us for sunlight, but, at the same time, the Earth doesn't bill us for coal or oil. They all cost resources to collect. There is no 'free' way to harness usable energy. Energy from the sun can be used to heat homes through passive solar design, solar hot water systems, solar space heating and electrical generation (photovoltaics or PV). It is a renewable energy source that does not contribute to greenhouse gasses.
One of the most important sources of energy is the sun. The energy of the sun is the original source of most of the energy found on earth. We get solar heat energy from the sun, and sunlight can also be used to produce electricity from solar (photovoltaic) cells.
Photovoltaic (PV) solar panels use the sun's power to create a flow of electricity. This is the most widely adopted method of harvesting solar energy today. These panels, which range in size from a few square centimeters to a few square meters, are constructed from many PV cells arranged in an intricate matrix.
**If we invested in something that works like that ^^ in the long run we would get cheap energy, but as I've previously stated, no one is going to get rich giving us cheap energy, and that's that.
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Post by Orac on Jul 22, 2023 11:22:05 GMT
The sun doesn't bill us for sunlight, but, at the same time, the Earth doesn't bill us for coal or oil. They all cost resources to collect. There is no 'free' way to harness usable energy. **If we invested in something that works like that ^^ in the long run we would get cheap energy, but as I've previously stated, no one is going to get rich giving us cheap energy, and that's that.
it depends what you are comparing it with. I doubt very much solar will ever be cheaper than a source like gas our oil now. |
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Post by bancroft on Jul 22, 2023 11:51:18 GMT
I struggle to understand why we are not using tidal energy to generate electricity.
The Middle East is a prime site for solar, in the North it is less efficient.
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Post by Orac on Jul 22, 2023 12:27:22 GMT
I struggle to understand why we are not using tidal energy to generate electricity. The Middle East is a prime site for solar, in the North it is less efficient. I also struggle with this. It is one factor that leads to believe the whole thing is not really serious |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 22, 2023 13:03:19 GMT
I struggle to understand why we are not using tidal energy to generate electricity. The Middle East is a prime site for solar, in the North it is less efficient. It's basically the same principle as the sun, we are using natural elements to harness energy, I mean you can go back thousands of years ago when there was not such thing as gas and electricity, so they used what was available, and looking at the likes of the Egyptians it never held them back, they used what was there, the same as what is here today, the Sun, sea, wind but they all have one thing in common, no big conglomerate has the sole rights to call it 'theirs', so they can charge us for it. |
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Post by bancroft on Jul 22, 2023 19:57:32 GMT
I struggle to understand why we are not using tidal energy to generate electricity. The Middle East is a prime site for solar, in the North it is less efficient. It's basically the same principle as the sun, we are using natural elements to harness energy, I mean you can go back thousands of years ago when there was not such thing as gas and electricity, so they used what was available, and looking at the likes of the Egyptians it never held them back, they used what was there, the same as what is here today, the Sun, sea, wind but they all have one thing in common, no big conglomerate has the sole rights to call it 'theirs', so they can charge us for it. The tides happen daily I think actually twice daily, day in and day out. We don't always have wind for the turbines nor sunlight for the solar cells. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 23, 2023 7:41:57 GMT
It's basically the same principle as the sun, we are using natural elements to harness energy, I mean you can go back thousands of years ago when there was not such thing as gas and electricity, so they used what was available, and looking at the likes of the Egyptians it never held them back, they used what was there, the same as what is here today, the Sun, sea, wind but they all have one thing in common, no big conglomerate has the sole rights to call it 'theirs', so they can charge us for it. The tides happen daily I think actually twice daily, day in and day out. We don't always have wind for the turbines nor sunlight for the solar cells. I somehow doubt the Chinese turn out much for tidal power generation, but they sure do for wind and solar. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 23, 2023 7:51:38 GMT
Wind Farm construction continues to go ahead on a vast scale in the North Sea, the Dogger Bank project when complete, will be the largest offshore wind farm in the world, and will be capable of supplying 6 million homes annualy. It is providing a huge boost for employment and investment on the Humber, the Tees and in Scotland If Labour come to power at the next election, the default answer to ONSHORE wind turbines will be Yes, unless there is good and valid reasons for objections, which will not include "visual impact". Something I mentiond elswhere: The area required for a coal power station compared to a wind farm. A 1MW coal power station provided electricity for c500,000 homes. A wind farm with a foot print four times larger than a 1MW coal power station provides electricity for c50,000 homes, when it's windy. Solar is similar, the land area required for wind and solar is vast and regardless of the nonsense the eco lobby spew out neither are cheap or reliable. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 8:07:06 GMT
The Oil industry is too big, it generates far too much wealth for individuals and companies...
Globally, about six million people are directly employed in the petroleum sector, according to the International Labour Organisation (ILO). Indirect employment in the sector's supply chains is estimated to be more than 60 million.
Total employment UK 200,800
Who is the richest in oil and gas industry?
The 10 wealthiest people in the oil industry
1. Mukesh Ambani (57), 150 billion. ...
2. Leonard Blavatnik (56), 123 billion. ...
3. Gina Rinehart (60), 108 billion. ...
4. Mikhail Fridman (50) 107 billion. ...
5. Viktor Vekselberg (57), 106 billion. ...
6. Harold Hamm (68), 106 billion. ...
7. Mohammed Al Amoudi (67), 93 billion. ...
8. Leonid Mikhelson (58), 86 billion.
8 reasons we will never get cheap energy ^^ not to mention the loss of 66 million jobs world wide.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 23, 2023 8:19:04 GMT
The only means of getting cheap energy is stirring us straight in the face or rather just look up to the sky, it's called the sun. We could harvest as much FREE energy as we wanted if we invested the money, but we don't want to invest in harvesting energy from the sun, because the sun does not belong to 'anyone' it can't be trademarked, no country can declare it as 'theirs', it can't be patented, you see the sun is FREE energy, and who is going to get rich giving away Free energy? How exactly do you propose ‘harvesting’ it You get at most a little under 700 watts per square metre at 51 degrees north by the way. And actually there are all sorts of trademarks and patents on collecting it, from pilkington’s glass that bounces the rays back in once captured to the selenium coatings on the surface of solar cells. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 23, 2023 8:23:54 GMT
We 'could' have cheaper energy in the UK if the government took advantage of our huge shale gas reserves. It's no secret that consumers in the US pay significantly less than us for gas and electricity because they exploit shale gas, which incidentally they sell to the UK. Madness.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 8:27:22 GMT
The only means of getting cheap energy is stirring us straight in the face or rather just look up to the sky, it's called the sun. We could harvest as much FREE energy as we wanted if we invested the money, but we don't want to invest in harvesting energy from the sun, because the sun does not belong to 'anyone' it can't be trademarked, no country can declare it as 'theirs', it can't be patented, you see the sun is FREE energy, and who is going to get rich giving away Free energy? How exactly do you propose ‘harvesting’ it You get at most a little under 700 watts per square metre at 51 degrees north by the way. And actually there are all sorts of trademarks and patents on collecting it, from pilkington’s glass that bounces the rays back in once captured to the selenium coatings on the surface of solar cells. That's the whole point, it's called investment, I am sure there are people with letters after their names that could come up with the solution, that person or people isn't me, but like everything else we have to have a starting point before it grows, otherwise we'd still be riding horses and donkeys.
The interest isn't there simply because of my previous post ^^, why would a industry that employs directly or indirectly world wide almost the population of the UK?
They are more interested in keeping 66 million in employment, and keeping individuals and oil investors wealthy, so you see giving me, you and the rest of us 'cheap' energy isn't high up on their 'list of things to do'.
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Post by dappy on Jul 23, 2023 11:55:56 GMT
What do you understand to be the relative costs of
On- shore wind
Off- shore wind
Solar
Nuclear
Gas
Coal
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 23, 2023 14:59:51 GMT
How exactly do you propose ‘harvesting’ it You get at most a little under 700 watts per square metre at 51 degrees north by the way. And actually there are all sorts of trademarks and patents on collecting it, from pilkington’s glass that bounces the rays back in once captured to the selenium coatings on the surface of solar cells. That's the whole point, it's called investment, I am sure there are people with letters after their names that could come up with the solution, that person or people isn't me, but like everything else we have to have a starting point before it grows, otherwise we'd still be riding horses and donkeys.
The interest isn't there simply because of my previous post ^^, why would a industry that employs directly or indirectly world wide almost the population of the UK?
They are more interested in keeping 66 million in employment, and keeping individuals and oil investors wealthy, so you see giving me, you and the rest of us 'cheap' energy isn't high up on their 'list of things to do'.
point’s aren’t your strength are they You try to claim no-one is interested in solar as you can’t patent it. I point out two things i know have been patented dince the late 70’s and you start jabbering about investment…. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 15:04:27 GMT
That's the whole point, it's called investment, I am sure there are people with letters after their names that could come up with the solution, that person or people isn't me, but like everything else we have to have a starting point before it grows, otherwise we'd still be riding horses and donkeys.
The interest isn't there simply because of my previous post ^^, why would a industry that employs directly or indirectly world wide almost the population of the UK?
They are more interested in keeping 66 million in employment, and keeping individuals and oil investors wealthy, so you see giving me, you and the rest of us 'cheap' energy isn't high up on their 'list of things to do'.
point’s aren’t your strength are they You try to claim no-one is interested in solar as you can’t patent it. I point out two things i know have been patented dince the late 70’s and you start jabbering about investment…. Nothing is your strength, most of the time you chant shit, but hey-ho, if you don't understand it's not my job to educate pork, I don't even know what 'dince' means, and I have no idea why you are bleeting about the late 70s, every single project needs investment, the internet started from a bedroom, and grew with investment, if that hadn't happened we wouldn't be here now, and I wouldn't be able to read your crap, so just as well people 'invest' in the future. |
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