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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 19:48:59 GMT
You are making the same mistake that so many make, ie mistaking weather for climate. Day to day, week to week, and month to month, weather will change, sometimes providing hot sunny weather, other times cooler and wetter weather. But that is just weather. Climate is generally a longer term meteorology measure, changes in which are measured by long term averages and any increases or decreases in the overall frequency and/or severity of extreme weather events. Even in a warmer climate there will still be localised cold snaps of below average temperatures from time to time. That's just weather. We have a low pressure dominating the UK at the moment and these are often associated with cooler, windier and wetter weather at this time of year. In southern Europe meanwhile, much of which was experiencing unseasonably high rainfalls whilst we were enjoying our June heatwave, they are now forecast to experience extreme heat. It is notable that cold snaps rarely break records for their coldness, but heatwaves frequently break records for their hotness, which is a clue to the overall climatic trend, as opposed to mere weather. OK. So why was the carboniferous a period of hot steamy fern laden jungle and what was the c02 level then and why did the planet not broil. The time when all the continents were in different places to now ? Who knows. Could it be that with all the continents in different places that the weather patterns were different? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 19:50:16 GMT
As an aside the European cities are recording record temperatures precisely because they are expanding cities with ever increasing areas of tarmac, concrete glass and steel not to mention offices, houses and factories churning out heat many from air conditioning units. Whereas outside the cities is bloody cold. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 19:51:23 GMT
An inconvenient fact or facts are that South Africa and Southern Australia are getting snow as is Northern Texas. Alternative reporting indicates that although some Antarctic ice is melting other parts are thickening yet the latter never gets mentioned. Yes the climate is changing, now where have I heard that term? |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2023 19:59:57 GMT
All the CO2 in the world won't help a tree that's on fire or that isn't getting enough rain to thrive. Same with crops. The last 8 years have been below normal for the world using the 30 year average. temperature.global/Fires in the US and Canada are significantly less frequent and burn significant less acreage than they did at the turn of the 19th/20th centuries. Any current droughts are not unknown climatic events in the areas they are occurring within human recorded history. Even the heavy rain in Korea is the heaviest in decades which suggests it is not unknown in the records. Every unusual weather event is not the result of climate change quite often weather is just being its fickle self. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 20:03:30 GMT
As an aside the European cities are recording record temperatures precisely because they are expanding cities with ever increasing areas of tarmac, concrete glass and steel not to mention offices, houses and factories churning out heat many from air conditioning units. Whereas outside the cities is bloody cold. Exactly. It only got up to 39C here on the farm last year when records were broken all over the country. I had to put my thermal undies on. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2023 20:05:22 GMT
So what was the ETCW (Early Twentieth Century Warming), Zany? It looked exactly like the recent warming on the graph but it occurred about 100 years ago BEFORE there had been any significant increase in CO2. And now, if you look at the graphs, it has disappeared. It's entirely possible that the current warming will just disappear when we look at temperature change over a longer period of time. It was the same as now. Just a freak weather event. Just as all the glaciers are receding but each for their own personal reasons, some prefer higher locations, some are shy. There's lots of reasons, none of them climate change. Obviously those explaining why man made climate change doesn't exist don't have time to explain the personal circumstances of each glacier, so they are forced to use certain ones as examples. Such as ones effected by soot. The Alpine glaciers being affected by soot was a peer reviewed scientific study in Nature I believe, NASA have referred to soot affecting Himalayan glaciers. We have to play by your rules and extract our info only from approved sources. Nature is one and NASA is another. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2023 20:10:42 GMT
As an aside the European cities are recording record temperatures precisely because they are expanding cities with ever increasing areas of tarmac, concrete glass and steel not to mention offices, houses and factories churning out heat many from air conditioning units. Whereas outside the cities is bloody cold. Possibly not but they are still wetting their pants in expectation of a record temp. They may well succeed even it it is Rome airport just after an airbus a 380 took off with a full load and the weather station was caught in the middle of that and another a380 landing with full reverse thrust blasting across the grass and making the Stevenson screen a wee bit shoogly. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 20:15:18 GMT
It was the same as now. Just a freak weather event. Just as all the glaciers are receding but each for their own personal reasons, some prefer higher locations, some are shy. There's lots of reasons, none of them climate change. Obviously those explaining why man made climate change doesn't exist don't have time to explain the personal circumstances of each glacier, so they are forced to use certain ones as examples. Such as ones effected by soot. The Alpine glaciers being affected by soot was a peer reviewed scientific study in Nature I believe, NASA have referred to soot affecting Himalayan glaciers. We have to play by your rules and extract our info only from approved sources. Nature is one and NASA is another. That's what I said, and all the other receding glaciers have their own personal reasons . Nothing to do with getting warmer. I think Nature magazine picked these as a typical example. There's not much soot in Austria but I believe they are receding as a result of being warn away by skiers. I'm awaiting the study results. Arctic ice is melting because of the enormous increase in Polar bears and their hot breath. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2023 20:16:10 GMT
Whereas outside the cities is bloody cold. Exactly. It only got up to 39C here on the farm last year when records were broken all over the country. I had to put my thermal undies on. No one is saying it was not hot however breaking the magic 40 in an official weather station has all the hallmarks of a political record and not an actual one |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 20:17:15 GMT
Whereas outside the cities is bloody cold. Possibly not but they are still wetting their pants in expectation of a record temp. They may well succeed even it it is Rome airport just after an airbus a 380 took off with a full load and the weather station was caught in the middle of that and another a380 landing with full reverse thrust blasting across the grass and making the Stevenson screen a wee bit shoogly. Yer its definitely tarmac, those scientists just haven't thought of it. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 17, 2023 20:18:15 GMT
The Alpine glaciers being affected by soot was a peer reviewed scientific study in Nature I believe, NASA have referred to soot affecting Himalayan glaciers. We have to play by your rules and extract our info only from approved sources. Nature is one and NASA is another. That's what I said, and all the other receding glaciers have their own personal reasons . Nothing to do with getting warmer. I think Nature magazine picked these as a typical example. There's not much soot in Austria but I believe they are receding as a result of being warn away by skiers. I'm awaiting the study results. Arctic ice is melting because of the enormous increase in Polar bears and their hot breath. So endeth the Mind Zone's reasoned debate that I did not push for but was happy to partake in. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 20:19:31 GMT
Exactly. It only got up to 39C here on the farm last year when records were broken all over the country. I had to put my thermal undies on. No one is saying it was not hot however breaking the magic 40 in an official weather station has all the hallmarks of a political record and not an actual one Yep, all across Europe, its a wonder how they all played the same trick. They must have rehearsed for months. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 20:22:00 GMT
Whereas outside the cities is bloody cold. Possibly not but they are still wetting their pants in expectation of a record temp. They may well succeed even it it is Rome airport just after an airbus a 380 took off with a full load and the weather station was caught in the middle of that and another a380 landing with full reverse thrust blasting across the grass and making the Stevenson screen a wee bit shoogly. The fear is certainly a strong manipulator. I imagine if you continue to repeat the words climate change and associate it with armageddon scenarios you will eventually incite a lot of fear. Those who seem less willing to swallow it whole and challenge the AGW science are putting the world in great danger, which calls for direct action. If enough isn't done by a certain time frame more drastic measures will be needed, and those who challenged it will have to be stopped from speaking by a new anti group. It may all lead to a collective neurosis. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 17, 2023 20:24:31 GMT
That's what I said, and all the other receding glaciers have their own personal reasons . Nothing to do with getting warmer. I think Nature magazine picked these as a typical example. There's not much soot in Austria but I believe they are receding as a result of being warn away by skiers. I'm awaiting the study results. Arctic ice is melting because of the enormous increase in Polar bears and their hot breath. So endeth the Mind Zone's reasoned debate that I did not push for but was happy to partake in. Reasoned debate? You are asked about glacial recession across the planet and reply that some glaciers on the lower slopes of the Himalayas are receding because of soot. You are told of record breaking temperatures across the planet and you blame tarmac. Its pointed out that its hot where the tarmac isn't and you say they're lying. We obviously have very different ideas of reason. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 17, 2023 20:26:36 GMT
Exactly. It only got up to 39C here on the farm last year when records were broken all over the country. I had to put my thermal undies on. No one is saying it was not hot however breaking the magic 40 in an official weather station has all the hallmarks of a political record and not an actual one I believe records were broken and 40C exceeded in multiple locations. Backwash from jet planes and urban heat islands can not explain away all those recordings. |
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