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Post by thomas on Aug 1, 2023 7:19:36 GMT
And flash flooding is NOT "a new phenomena (sic)". A few miles away from me they've built a huge new estate - because of govt demands for more housing, The amusing thing is that the area that they've built the estate on is a flood plain. The land belonged to a local farmer but he never did anything with it because it regularly flooded - several feet deep and lasting months. Obviously to get planning permission the builders have had to put in anti-flood measures, but these basically involve diverting water to the nearest river. And the predictable result will simply be that the town a few miles down the river will get flooded. And that flooding will happen very fast. It's crazy and everyone knows it. They've been lucky so far because there's hardly been any real rain for months but it's just a matter of time. And I bet when the flooding happens the councillors who approved this huge development will blame climate change. I agree with this.
Flash flooding as we know is caused by a normal variation in the climate , where some years we go wetter , some drier. In june , scotland was largely in drought with many of the rivers lochs and reservoirs at their lowest level for years ( funnily enough also being blamed on climate change) , and now normal service has resumed , we are told this is climate change too.
As you pointout above , not only do poor management of rural areas/rivers etc not help , but the massively increasing human popualtion , where we have went from 1 billion to 8 billion in the space of a century , and the fact in denser popualted parts of scotland and england like for example scotland central belt , they are foolishly building on old flood plains , which every now and then as we see in wetter years catching people out with flash flooding.
As the public backlash against the climate hysterics and net zero madness gathers pace, i think we are going to see increasing panic from the climate zealots as the political ground moves away from their madness.
quite enjoyed reading stuart campbells recent measured article on the subject over on wings...
As noted by Iain Macwhirter in an excellent and measured Sunday Times column yesterday, Net Zero is – from a British or Scottish perspective – nothing more than pointless, pious virtue-signalling vanity. These tiny islands contribute less than 1% of greenhouse gases, a veritable drop of spilled oil in the ocean, and any reductions that could conceivably be made – even if the mythical Zero were achieved – are instantly dwarfed by the increases from the big-four polluters: China, India, the US and Russia.
Even if you graph the UK’s output against just one of them, the result is farcical. And of course, if you’re talking about Scotland alone you can divide that already-meaningless figure by 10, putting it to all intents and purposes on the graph’s X axis, ie already as close to zero as makes no odds.
The debate about whether man-made climate change is happening at all (and as far as we can tell the evidence that it is is pretty well beyond argument) is a red herring, because to anyone in this country it simply doesn’t matter. It’s not our business. Climate change will, or won’t, happen regardless of anything our piddly little country does, so we may as well burn everything we can get our hands on.
Scotland and the UK are complete and utter insignificances in the matter, making fools of themselves trying to look important in front of the big boys and girls on the world stage
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Post by zanygame on Aug 1, 2023 7:26:35 GMT
If you are right Thomas and the weather is normal then climate change does not exist. The increased Co2 has had no effect on our weather as can be seen by your comments on it above.
Therefore there will be no future cost of dealing with it.
Thank you for your opinion on how we pay for those changes.
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Post by thomas on Aug 1, 2023 7:41:50 GMT
If you are right Thomas and the weather is normal then climate change does not exist. The increased Co2 has had no effect on our weather as can be seen by your comments on it above. Therefore there will be no future cost of dealing with it. Thank you for your opinion on how we pay for those changes. climate change does exist. The question is wether its in part or wholly man made , or natural. As campbell says in his article , the next big and more pertinent question is what can scotland/england or the uk do about it realistically , for what purpose , and cost , and then balance out the equation to see if its worth it .
No one gives a fuck about what may or may not happen in 100 years regarding climate change. People are worried about jobs and livelyhoods now along with their living standard.
As ever though , especially on the liberal left , idealism overtakes realism . No one , no one on this earth is going to vote to make themselves poorer and worse off to appease a few climate nutjobs.
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Post by thomas on Aug 1, 2023 7:46:12 GMT
hers the wings article in full , where he talks about instead of net zero , some of these climate activitsts have IQ zero....
Last night she told both the viewers of BBC Scotland’s “Seven Days” that she’d just spent three weeks on an island in Greece, where apparently she was quite shocked to discover that the Mediterranean nation was hot in July.
Greece is a country which has a summer heatwave with temperatures around the 40s almost every year, but Given conveyed near-astonishment as she explained that she’d spent one of the three weeks shut in her hotel room with the air conditioning on full, which is roughly as helpful to the environment as if she’d passed the whole time sitting in a double-decker bus with the engine running, spraying aerosols out of the window non-stop onto to a big pile of burning tyres filled with toxic waste
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2023 7:47:58 GMT
What new Med climate? There is no change to the rainfall in England Wales.  Again. FLASH FLOODING. not amount of rain annually. Our rain patterns are changing as the climate warms. Our infrastructure is not. OK I will listen to that where is the data both historic and current that shows a change in the rainfall pattern. If you check the flash flood chronology the worst period for most regions was the 1930s, some areas recently have increased but primarily due to extensive building whereby fields that flooded before were unrecorded but recorded now as a flash flood events. There is no indication in the rainfall records that rainfall events have become more common as such events fall under the umbrella of weather as opposed to climate and records in individual areas have a history of being broken. In many cases infrastructure and blocked drains are the catalyst. I was on a site in West Sussex whereby the site offices were flooded because the drains were blocked by debris. As we measured the rainfall it was not a particularly strange event. If you measure rainfall over two hundred years in thousands of locations then somewhere at sometime a record will be broken. This pattern has not changed. However since you say the pattern has changed then there must be data to show that is the case. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2023 8:01:34 GMT
www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/07/what_nasa_and_the_european_space_agency_are_admitting_but_the_media_are_failing_to_report_about_our_current_heat_wave.htmlThe current heat wave is being relentlessly blamed on increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, but there is a much more plausible explanation, one that is virtually endorsed by two of the world's leading scientific organizations. It turns out that levels of water vapor in the atmosphere have dramatically increased over the last year and a half, and water vapor is well recognized as a greenhouse gas, whose heightened presence leads to higher temperatures, a mechanism that dwarfs any effect CO2 may have. So why has atmospheric water vapor increased so dramatically? Because of a historic, gigantic volcanic eruption last year that I — probably along with you — had never heard of. The mass media ignored it because it took place 490 feet underwater in the South Pacific. Don't take it from me; take it from NASA (and please do follow the link to see time-lapse satellite imagery of the underwater eruption and subsequent plume of gases and water injected into the atmosphere
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 1, 2023 8:07:10 GMT
zanygame said: "The lie is the EU stopped dredging, they did not. Flash flooding is not new but the frequency is. We have just had 2 to 300% more rain in July than normal. We are seeing more torrential rain because of the increased amount of moisture the atmosphere can hold.
Out weather will become more Mediterranean (Where they have all those massive storm gullies we don't)
Who is going to pay for those across the South of the UK."
The EU made dredging impossibly expensive because it all had to be taken to landfill - which is VERY expensive. And it stopped farmers building up the banks which alleviated flooding.
So now you say "Flash flooding is not new but the frequency is". I thought you said it was "a new phenomena (sic)". Oh well. Now it's just more "frequent". Well if we carry on building everywhere of course it gets more frequent. Duh. If nobody lives on a bit of land no one notices or cares if it flash floods.
The one phenomenon that is pretty well substantiated (I think) is that there has been an increase in weather fronts getting stuck over one area and staying there for weeks. But the scientists have no explanation for why this happens. The models do NOT predict that this will happen if you simply warm up the planet.
As for our weather getting more Mediterranean I doubt it. Britain's weather is pretty unique in the world in that we are hit by weather systems coming from every direction - and we're warmed by the Gulf Stream.
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 1, 2023 9:08:13 GMT
It's interesting that we're told to believe 'the science' when it is climate change, but told to ignore 'the science' where transgender debate is concerned.
We have politicians who can no longer define what a woman is as they don't believe the science anymore; but they believe the forecasting and predictions by science where the earth is concerned.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2023 14:22:12 GMT
It's interesting that we're told to believe 'the science' when it is climate change, but told to ignore 'the science' where transgender debate is concerned. We have politicians who can no longer define what a woman is as they don't believe the science anymore; but they believe the forecasting and predictions by science where the earth is concerned. 'The Science' is pretty much a stick to beat us with. Evolution is pretty much proven by science yet we have to allow for those who believe the earth started 9000 years ago or thereabouts or that one man was in touch with the divine power which in Its omnipotence was unable to talk directly to people and could only pass messages by a Messenger or a 'Son'. 'The Science' is a non existent entity as ephemeral and ever changing as the myriad experiments in its repertoire indicate and can be ignored by government and politicians as the mood takes them but they can uses its power as needs be. The language surrounding it is that of a cult and instead of education raising a plethora of enquiring minds for the benefit of humanity it is raising little brainwashed intolerant dictators. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 18:05:08 GMT
It's interesting that we're told to believe 'the science' when it is climate change, but told to ignore 'the science' where transgender debate is concerned. We have politicians who can no longer define what a woman is as they don't believe the science anymore; but they believe the forecasting and predictions by science where the earth is concerned. 'The Science' is pretty much a stick to beat us with. Evolution is pretty much proven by science yet we have to allow for those who believe the earth started 9000 years ago or thereabouts or that one man was in touch with the divine power which in Its omnipotence was unable to talk directly to people and could only pass messages by a Messenger or a 'Son'. 'The Science' is a non existent entity as ephemeral and ever changing as the myriad experiments in its repertoire indicate and can be ignored by government and politicians as the mood takes them but they can uses its power as needs be. The language surrounding it is that of a cult and instead of education raising a plethora of enquiring minds for the benefit of humanity it is raising little brainwashed intolerant dictators. Well, we should never underestimate collectivist human stupidity and how many it will kill for its idealism. That's the only real certainty here. Also, an interesting NASA link in your previous post, which, once again, adds another variable. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 19:44:04 GMT
I wouldn't worry, the roads would have worn away through neglect long before the end of times. Nobody will even be able to afford to run a car and will be struggling to feed themselves just from Net Zero. Perhaps building a few flood walls would suffice. They could even have multiple uses.
Putting AGW deniers up against them? I think you've gone too far there Afterbirth. Afterbirth? Is that another ad hom or a clumsy reference to him having been rebirth on another forum. Speaking as an AGW denier, which some on here can't spell, let alone understand warming may have nothing to do with the A bit. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 1, 2023 19:44:08 GMT
If you are right Thomas and the weather is normal then climate change does not exist. The increased Co2 has had no effect on our weather as can be seen by your comments on it above. Therefore there will be no future cost of dealing with it. Thank you for your opinion on how we pay for those changes. climate change does exist. The question is wether its in part or wholly man made , or natural. As campbell says in his article , the next big and more pertinent question is what can scotland/england or the uk do about it realistically , for what purpose , and cost , and then balance out the equation to see if its worth it .
No one gives a fuck about what may or may not happen in 100 years regarding climate change. People are worried about jobs and livelyhoods now along with their living standard.
As ever though , especially on the liberal left , idealism overtakes realism . No one , no one on this earth is going to vote to make themselves poorer and worse off to appease a few climate nutjobs.
Shame you feel the need to go insulting again, but never mind. So having just said our climate isn't changing, you say climate change does exist. So how is it expressing itself? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 19:47:30 GMT
Why can't you deal with it?. We already have the technology to deal with extreme climatic changes so why would that be any harder than trying to stop it with technology that doesn't actually exist? Me. How can I deal with it, what are you on about? You may not have noticed but our road surfaces are a bit rough. And our surface water drainage as it stands cannot cope with the new Mediterranean weather we are enjoying. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/03/rain-sparks-flash-flood-travel-chaos-across-south-east/The Telegraph, so must be true.  In Spain they say there are 2 seasons. Infierno y invierno. It has always been that way. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 2, 2023 6:10:21 GMT
climate change does exist. The question is wether its in part or wholly man made , or natural. As campbell says in his article , the next big and more pertinent question is what can scotland/england or the uk do about it realistically , for what purpose , and cost , and then balance out the equation to see if its worth it .
No one gives a fuck about what may or may not happen in 100 years regarding climate change. People are worried about jobs and livelyhoods now along with their living standard.
As ever though , especially on the liberal left , idealism overtakes realism . No one , no one on this earth is going to vote to make themselves poorer and worse off to appease a few climate nutjobs.
Shame you feel the need to go insulting again, but never mind. So having just said our climate isn't changing, you say climate change does exist. So how is it expressing itself? see this is where we often part company zany , in your puerile never ending spin of events and what people say. You arent very good at it. It also makes you look dishonest.
I didnt say the climate isnt changing. Im saying the climate changes naturally all the time. Im open to further persuasion man has a part in that change . Where have i insulted you personally though in my previous post , which was a generalisation not aimed specifically at you or anyone on this forum?
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Post by thomas on Aug 2, 2023 6:23:42 GMT
It's interesting that we're told to believe 'the science' when it is climate change, but told to ignore 'the science' where transgender debate is concerned. We have politicians who can no longer define what a woman is as they don't believe the science anymore; but they believe the forecasting and predictions by science where the earth is concerned. Wee joke for you buccy.
Life after politics.
Nicola sturgeon has been offered a job outside politics as the co director of the next james bond movie.
She is demanding the new bond is Transgender , and transitions form male to female. The film is to be called " Cocktopussey."
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