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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2023 20:32:09 GMT
The great truth. What great truth is that?
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Post by zanygame on Jul 31, 2023 20:56:27 GMT
The great truth. What great truth is that? That over 50% of our electricity came from non fossil fuels last year Chuckles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2023 21:16:29 GMT
What great truth is that? That over 50% of our electricity came from non fossil fuels last year Chuckles. Well, If you ignore the fossil fuels required to build these mills, and their potential inefficiency and cost of maintenance, along with a bit of namecalling, I am sure it will convince a few people in this country. However, from what I can tell almost 80% of the UK's energy came from fossil fuels where 4% came from windpower.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 31, 2023 21:17:01 GMT
As i have said thorugh this thread , and others , i think the tide is slowly but massively turning against green policy. The tories seem to scent the winds of change , while the other parties are flailing about like headless chickens.
But you don't doubt climate change is happening. So how do we deal with it if we decide we can't stop it. Why can't you deal with it?. We already have the technology to deal with extreme climatic changes so why would that be any harder than trying to stop it with technology that doesn't actually exist?
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Post by zanygame on Jul 31, 2023 21:41:26 GMT
But you don't doubt climate change is happening. So how do we deal with it if we decide we can't stop it. Why can't you deal with it?. We already have the technology to deal with extreme climatic changes so why would that be any harder than trying to stop it with technology that doesn't actually exist? Me. How can I deal with it, what are you on about? You may not have noticed but our road surfaces are a bit rough. And our surface water drainage as it stands cannot cope with the new Mediterranean weather we are enjoying. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/03/rain-sparks-flash-flood-travel-chaos-across-south-east/The Telegraph, so must be true.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 31, 2023 21:47:56 GMT
No I'm sorry you don't get away with that. Flash flooding is a current and new phenomena. Flash flooding. I'm not going to go through the lies about the EU again. Its off topic. Yes the jet stream getting stuck . Now how could that happen. Regardless. how are we going to pay for it. Flash flooding is not new, it is why Los Angeles has immense drainage channels that usually contain only a little trickle. If one increases run off upstream one increases flooding downstream. Take Shrewsbury in the Severn catchment. 20 miles of new bypasses etc, new trading estates, new housing with hardstandings and all draining to the Severn at an increased rate EU rules did involve control of dredging and placing of spoil and did have an effect on river management. The jet stream has been stuck before and will no doubt be stuck again and the reasons are unknown but obviously pontificated upon which is not actually science unless you can show some form of relationship as regards causation.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 31, 2023 21:50:34 GMT
Pah - fitting drains is so 19th century.
We (as a species) have perfected the ability to live quite comfortably in extremes of temperature from -40c to +50c.
The argument that the UK could not adapt to an increase in average temps of 1.5 degrees is absolute nonsense.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 31, 2023 22:07:34 GMT
Why can't you deal with it?. We already have the technology to deal with extreme climatic changes so why would that be any harder than trying to stop it with technology that doesn't actually exist? Me. How can I deal with it, what are you on about? You may not have noticed but our road surfaces are a bit rough. And our surface water drainage as it stands cannot cope with the new Mediterranean weather we are enjoying. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/03/rain-sparks-flash-flood-travel-chaos-across-south-east/The Telegraph, so must be true. What new Med climate? There is no change to the rainfall in England Wales.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 1, 2023 4:15:33 GMT
Flash flooding is not new, it is why Los Angeles has immense drainage channels that usually contain only a little trickle. If one increases run off upstream one increases flooding downstream. Take Shrewsbury in the Severn catchment. 20 miles of new bypasses etc, new trading estates, new housing with hardstandings and all draining to the Severn at an increased rate Are you now saying that in the UK climate change isn't happening at all? That the weather in the UK is the same as its always been. If so its a new low. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Climate%20change%20is%20impacting%20the,rise%20is%20impacting%20coastal%20areas. We're not in the EU. Haven't been for 7 years. But in any case all the rules said was that you can't dump dredging waste on the bank of the river. Waste was NOT soil, it was shopping trolleys and beer bottles. Further flash flooding is not about how quickly water can escape once it reaches the rivers, its about that water before it reaches the rivers. Yes I know, in Noahs day it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. In 200 BC it rained frogs. You can always find exceptions, but thenthey were exceptions, now they are the rule.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 1, 2023 4:18:53 GMT
Pah - fitting drains is so 19th century. We (as a species) have perfected the ability to live quite comfortably in extremes of temperature from -40c to +50c. The argument that the UK could not adapt to an increase in average temps of 1.5 degrees is absolute nonsense. Yes. My question was how do we pay for the new larger storm drains we are going to need as our weather patterns change. Change costs money
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Post by zanygame on Aug 1, 2023 4:21:15 GMT
What new Med climate? There is no change to the rainfall in England Wales. Again. FLASH FLOODING. not amount of rain annually. Our rain patterns are changing as the climate warms. Our infrastructure is not.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 1, 2023 6:29:14 GMT
Pah - fitting drains is so 19th century. We (as a species) have perfected the ability to live quite comfortably in extremes of temperature from -40c to +50c. The argument that the UK could not adapt to an increase in average temps of 1.5 degrees is absolute nonsense. Yes. My question was how do we pay for the new larger storm drains we are going to need as our weather patterns change. Change costs money Do you have any idea how much this dash to Net Zero is going to cost? - if we cannot afford a few larger drains and a bit of aircon then we certainly cannot afford to charge off down the Net Zero blind alley.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 1, 2023 6:57:30 GMT
Zanygame said: "We're not in the EU. Haven't been for 7 years. But in any case all the rules said was that you can't dump dredging waste on the bank of the river. Waste was NOT soil, it was shopping trolleys and beer bottles. Further flash flooding is not about how quickly water can escape once it reaches the rivers, its about that water before it reaches the rivers."
There's a bit more to it than that. Of course we're not in the EU now but, when the EU declared dredgings to be hazardous waste, the Environment Agency sold all their dredging machines and farmers stopped routinely doing dredging. There was actually a perfectly valid reason for the EU wanting to control dredging because many rivers in Europe tend to run through several countries. The EU realised that river management must be done consistently over the WHOLE river - if one country decides to dredge or put flood barriers on their bit of the river the inevitable result is that the next country downstream gets flooded.
So your kneejerk reaction to deny as lies any statement that you think is passing blame to the EU is misplaced. It's in fact our own govt who also screwed up our flood control by only allowing flood barriers on bits of the river that met various arbitrary criteria. This led to flooding in many areas which had never been flooded before. The Jubilee canal also exacerbated flooding.
And flash flooding is NOT "a new phenomena (sic)". A few miles away from me they've built a huge new estate - because of govt demands for more housing, The amusing thing is that the area that they've built the estate on is a flood plain. The land belonged to a local farmer but he never did anything with it because it regularly flooded - several feet deep and lasting months. Obviously to get planning permission the builders have had to put in anti-flood measures, but these basically involve diverting water to the nearest river. And the predictable result will simply be that the town a few miles down the river will get flooded. And that flooding will happen very fast. It's crazy and everyone knows it. They've been lucky so far because there's hardly been any real rain for months but it's just a matter of time. And I bet when the flooding happens the councillors who approved this huge development will blame climate change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 7:17:04 GMT
Zanygame said: "We're not in the EU. Haven't been for 7 years. But in any case all the rules said was that you can't dump dredging waste on the bank of the river. Waste was NOT soil, it was shopping trolleys and beer bottles. Further flash flooding is not about how quickly water can escape once it reaches the rivers, its about that water before it reaches the rivers." There's a bit more to it than that. Of course we're not in the EU now but, when the EU declared dredgings to be hazardous waste, the Environment Agency sold all their dredging machines and farmers stopped routinely doing dredging. There was actually a perfectly valid reason for the EU wanting to control dredging because many rivers in Europe tend to run through several countries. The EU realised that river management must be done consistently over the WHOLE river - if one country decides to dredge or put flood barriers on their bit of the river the inevitable result is that the next country downstream gets flooded. So your kneejerk reaction to deny as lies any statement that you think is passing blame to the EU is misplaced. It's in fact our own govt who also screwed up our flood control by only allowing flood barriers on bits of the river that met various arbitrary criteria. This led to flooding in many areas which had never been flooded before. The Jubilee canal also exacerbated flooding. And flash flooding is NOT "a new phenomena (sic)". A few miles away from me they've built a huge new estate - because of govt demands for more housing, The amusing thing is that the area that they've built the estate on is a flood plain. The land belonged to a local farmer but he never did anything with it because it regularly flooded - several feet deep and lasting months. Obviously to get planning permission the builders have had to put in anti-flood measures, but these basically involve diverting water to the nearest river. And the predictable result will simply be that the town a few miles down the river will get flooded. And that flooding will happen very fast. It's crazy and everyone knows it. They've been lucky so far because there's hardly been any real rain for months but it's just a matter of time. And I bet when the flooding happens the councillors who approved this huge development will blame climate change. If you're right, it's certainly a convenient way of redirecting the blame away from their own mistakes. After all, people have already been separated into the denier and virtuous camps.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 1, 2023 7:18:13 GMT
Zanygame said: "We're not in the EU. Haven't been for 7 years. But in any case all the rules said was that you can't dump dredging waste on the bank of the river. Waste was NOT soil, it was shopping trolleys and beer bottles. Further flash flooding is not about how quickly water can escape once it reaches the rivers, its about that water before it reaches the rivers." There's a bit more to it than that. Of course we're not in the EU now but, when the EU declared dredgings to be hazardous waste, the Environment Agency sold all their dredging machines and farmers stopped routinely doing dredging. There was actually a perfectly valid reason for the EU wanting to control dredging because many rivers in Europe tend to run through several countries. The EU realised that river management must be done consistently over the WHOLE river - if one country decides to dredge or put flood barriers on their bit of the river the inevitable result is that the next country downstream gets flooded. So your kneejerk reaction to deny as lies any statement that you think is passing blame to the EU is misplaced. It's in fact our own govt who also screwed up our flood control by only allowing flood barriers on bits of the river that met various arbitrary criteria. This led to flooding in many areas which had never been flooded before. The Jubilee canal also exacerbated flooding. And flash flooding is NOT "a new phenomena (sic)". A few miles away from me they've built a huge new estate - because of govt demands for more housing, The amusing thing is that the area that they've built the estate on is a flood plain. The land belonged to a local farmer but he never did anything with it because it regularly flooded - several feet deep and lasting months. Obviously to get planning permission the builders have had to put in anti-flood measures, but these basically involve diverting water to the nearest river. And the predictable result will simply be that the town a few miles down the river will get flooded. And that flooding will happen very fast. It's crazy and everyone knows it. They've been lucky so far because there's hardly been any real rain for months but it's just a matter of time. And I bet when the flooding happens the councillors who approved this huge development will blame climate change. The lie is the EU stopped dredging, they did not. Flash flooding is not new but the frequency is. We have just had 2 to 300% more rain in July than normal. We are seeing more torrential rain because of the increased amount of moisture the atmosphere can hold. Out weather will become more Mediterranean (Where they have all those massive storm gullies we don't) Who is going to pay for those across the South of the UK.
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