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Post by wapentake on Jul 30, 2023 6:41:06 GMT
That depends whether you believe it all,many don’t and see it as an overreaction You'd have to be blind not to see it all around us. Records being broken around the planet. Some people just don't want to see it though. Their package holidays and last century technology is too important to them. We can't wait for them to catch up though so we'll just have to leave them behind. What you won’t accept is there are too many people on the planet ,that’s the real problem and at the same time expect us to accept anyone that rocks up on our shores. Records broken? that have only been kept for less than 200 years,you take in anything they throw at you as gospel and should they suggest we all return to serfdom and live in mud and wattle huts you’d put your name down. Along the way you’ve dismissed that we were told there was an ice age coming which was initially described as it never happened then that people were confused. You've told us that farting cattle need to go when you know that not that many years ago vast numbers of bison and other herbivores existed and happily farted away with no effect and that their effect compared to human population numbers today is negligible. You’ve convinced yourself that eating insects and not garlic bread is the new future  that meat eaters are the equivalent of devil worshippers of old. Strangely you dismiss those that believe in what you call a sky fairy yet worship this new religion convinced that it’s priesthood (climate scientists) like the popes of old are infallible,you mention those being blind not to see this to which I can only reply I only hope I live long enough to see who was really fooled. You are of course perfectly entitled to your views yet dismiss any who question as climate change deniers,still that goes with the territory of this religion as those of old might as well call them apostates. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 30, 2023 6:46:43 GMT
i though you would say that zany. Across two recent threads and differing subjects , we have all seen your anti democratic stance in action where you consistently support those "who hold the wrong view" being cancelled . Anti democratic. You mean the stupid idea that everyone should be given equal speaking space on any subject regardless of their knowledge base. And each be given equal weight. Yeah. I got the lung specialist and a Ferrari expert in to discuss my mums COPD. The lung specialist wittered on about her smoking, but the Ferrari expert says she'll be fine with a new carburettor. Sigh. It's funny that you think only people who are "climate change scientists" should be allowed to give their opinions on climate change, zany. Yet you seem happy to give your own - highly ignorant - views on the subject on this forum every day. You even said in a previous post on this thread that: " In part my arguments are trying to correct their views, but I also feel responsible to a certain extent to inform visitors reading these posts". It's very amusing stuff, zany. So, despite having no qualifications in any science at all - and plainly knowing nothing about either science generallly or climate in particular - you feel qualified to "correct" other people's views and "inform visitors reading these posts". The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And you reject Dr John Clauser's right to talk on the subject despite the fact that he is a Nobel prize winner and a scholar of quantum physics - which is a subject that I would have thought is very relevant to climate. FYI climate and weather is a stochastic system that does NOT behave in a deterministic way and is better approached from a probabilistic point of view like quantum physics. If we ever get a model that delivers anywhere near accurate answers it will be informed by quantum theory - not by hundreds of deterministic equations that are largely wrong. And your idea that there is any such thing as a "climate change scientist" is highly naive. If you knew anything about science you would realise that almost every area of the subject has become incredibly specialised. The days when a polymath like Newton could make discoveries in diverse areas like motion and optics are long gone. The study of climate change requires input from a vast number of specialists who basically know only about certain tiny areas - for example there are those who specialise in the eddy currents in air near the stratosphere and its effect on climate etc. No one knows it all. A little humility from you would be appropriate, zany. You don't even begin to understand this subject. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 7:07:07 GMT
Anti democratic. You mean the stupid idea that everyone should be given equal speaking space on any subject regardless of their knowledge base. And each be given equal weight. Yeah. I got the lung specialist and a Ferrari expert in to discuss my mums COPD. The lung specialist wittered on about her smoking, but the Ferrari expert says she'll be fine with a new carburettor. Sigh. It's funny that you think only people who are "climate change scientists" should be allowed to give their opinions on climate change, zany. Yet you seem happy to give your own - highly ignorant - views on the subject on this forum every day. You even said in a previous post on this thread that: " In part my arguments are trying to correct their views, but I also feel responsible to a certain extent to inform visitors reading these posts". It's very amusing stuff, zany. So, despite having no qualifications in any science at all - and plainly knowing nothing about either science generallly or climate in particular - you feel qualified to "correct" other people's views and "inform visitors reading these posts". The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And you reject Dr John Clauser's right to talk on the subject despite the fact that he is a Nobel prize winner and a scholar of quantum physics - which is a subject that I would have thought is very relevant to climate. FYI climate and weather is a stochastic system that does NOT behave in a deterministic way and is better approached from a probabilistic point of view like quantum physics. If we ever get a model that delivers anywhere near accurate answers it will be informed by quantum theory - not by hundreds of deterministic equations that are largely wrong. And your idea that there is any such thing as a "climate change scientist" is highly naive. If you knew anything about science you would realise that almost every area of the subject has become incredibly specialised. The days when a polymath like Newton could make discoveries in diverse areas like motion and optics are long gone. The study of climate change requires input from a vast number of specialists who basically know only about certain tiny areas - for example there are those who specialise in the eddy currents in air near the stratosphere and its effect on climate etc. No one knows it all. A little humility from you would be appropriate, zany. You don't even begin to understand this subject. And what are your qualifications? You appeared not even to understand that the extraction of oil is not the problem, the burning of it is. At least Zany is following what those who are expert in the field are saying, which is the sensible thing for those less qualified than them to do. Whats your excuse? Preferring to listen to one or two random muppets on the internet because believing what you want to believe matters more to you than following the evidence? Clearly you know nothing about the scientific process. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 7:48:45 GMT
That's the difference between us. For you its about being popular, for me its about trying to get to the core of the subject.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 7:53:09 GMT
You see. Only someone without a clue would think ULEZ has anything to do with net zero. i bow to your superior wisdom and judgement zany. I know im not worthy , but im honoured to read your lectures in all things on a daily basis.somebody better tell public health scotland..... Well at least you've learned something, even if it was against your will to do so. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 8:11:44 GMT
Anti democratic. You mean the stupid idea that everyone should be given equal speaking space on any subject regardless of their knowledge base. And each be given equal weight. Yeah. I got the lung specialist and a Ferrari expert in to discuss my mums COPD. The lung specialist wittered on about her smoking, but the Ferrari expert says she'll be fine with a new carburettor. Sigh. No. Everyone can give an opinion. (You really do need to learn to read all the words)
My objection is to the idea that everyone's opinion is worth the same regardless of their education on the subject. The peculiar idea that this is somehow democratic " In part my arguments are trying to correct their views, but I also feel responsible to a certain extent to inform visitors reading these posts". No because I don't publish my own opinion on climate change, I simply re-publish the opinion of the vast majority of climate experts. I do this to counteract the climate denier bloggers you reference. Yes. We need to get the public onside, we need clarity. There is too much misinformation out there, where folks even think a local pollution cutting tactic ULEZ is something to do with net zero. I am always surprised when folks like you who claim to have relevant education are willing to let such ideas go unchallenged so long as the poster is onside. I have never made any such claim. Indeed, I try to use peer reviewed information or that from bodies such as the IPCC. Indeed. I'll do my best, but I'm human and your constant rudeness does eventually get to me. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 9:08:50 GMT
lol.
Its not anti democratic to lose a referendum , implement the result ,and then campaign anew. It is anti democratic to lose a referendum , demand the result isnt implemeted while demanding a second go. No matter how much you twist and turn on the subject monte , thats a stain anglo remaienrs are going to find difficult washing out.
As for the latest desperation about net zero and manifestos....well yes and no monte.
The guardian was bleating the tory manifesto barely mentioned the climate crises in 2019 , and that the conservatives didnt take it serious and johnson wouldnt take part in any scheduled climate debates
i think arguing the tories were elected on a net zero manifesto in 2019 , when we all know brexit was the pressing reason they gained a thumping majority is barrel scraping monte.
As the net zero policies hit home , im sure someone as used to losing elections and referendums such as yourself while arguing voters must have another go will be right behind the electorate voting agaisnt any party that champions further net zero madness in future elections.
Net zero isnt popualr with tory voters as we know , and recently it was found only 4 % of tory voters support net zero or find it important.
Net zero slumps to bottom of Tory members’ priority list
we also know in countires like /germany , and elswhere in europe , voters are turning agaisnt net zero as economies worsen ..
The rise of the AfD should come as no surprise. Germans are protesting against an elite that wants to impose woke ideology and Net Zero austerity. The establishment has given voters no alternative, writes Sabine Beppler-Spah
Whopping 82% of Berlin’s Voters Refuse to Support Net Zero 2030 as Referendum Fails
You are backing another losing horse monte.
If I lose this one we all lose. It will be even worse for our children and their children. The climate crisis isn't going away and the longer it takes us to address it the more expensive it will get. The time for excuses is over. It's time for action. fair enough monte. You are a good guy , and have the courage of your convictions to stand up for your beliefs and offer up coherent arguments.........well mostly. 
i see it as a balancing act , with humans tidying up their act , but not having living standards lowered in the process.
Like brexit , im not sure though prophecies of armageddon are going to do your cause any favours.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 9:14:14 GMT
That's the difference between us. For you its about being popular, for me its about trying to get to the core of the subject.
For me its about being popular?  Im beginning to think you are a bit of a nutjob zany.
Im scottish , one of three who frequent this forum , and a scottish independence supporter. You cant get much more unpopular , or in a minority view with the majority against you on a predominantly pro english pro british forum in terms of views and membership.
you rarely if ever get to the core of any subject on here. you are either punting prophecies of doom about the climate , or cheering on the debanking of people you dont like wether its right or wrong.
Hardly the mark of a self professed dissecter of political debate.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 9:17:57 GMT
i bow to your superior wisdom and judgement zany. I know im not worthy , but im honoured to read your lectures in all things on a daily basis.somebody better tell public health scotland..... Well at least you've learned something, even if it was against your will to do so. i take it you dont do sarcasm. ? Im always willing to learn , and part of coming on these forums is learning from different views , from people across the world and from various political backgrounds.
I cant think of anything though ive learned from you. You must be one of the most unoriginal people i have come across , but to be fair to you , its always the way with new labour supporters. They seem to churn out the same groupthink and completely unoriginal thoughts that i have been listening to for decades now.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 9:37:34 GMT
Extreme fire risk with EV´s exposed to salt water - Coast Guard issues alert to not allow on ships
The U.S. Coast Guard is warning the shipping industry of the extreme risk of loading electric vehicles with damaged Lithium-Ion batteries onto commercial vessels.
As CTIF.org has reported before, saltwater exposure can harm Lithium-Ion batteries, and cause a chemical reaction which creates a high fire risk. This was discovered in the aftermath of Hurricane Ian when a large amount of EVs with damaged batteries caught fire in southern Florida.
In the aftermath of the category 4 hurricane, first responders encountered numerous EV fires where investigations have determined were caused by exposure of the Lithium-Ion batteries to saltwater.
“Vessels, ports, and shippers should be aware of this extreme risk and avoid loading EVs with damaged Lithium-Ion onto commercial vessels,” the US Coast Guard safety alert reads.
An earlier safety alert (Safety Alert 01-22)was issued last March which highlights a recent incident where improperly discarded Lithium-Ion batteries caught fire in a container while en route to the Port of Virginia, where it was set to be loaded onto a ship. The container’s bill of lading allegedly listed the contents as “computer parts,” not lithium batteries.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 9:42:51 GMT
Tory Prime Ministers are being "systematically dishonest" about the £1 trillion cost of Net Zero, says ex-Chancellor Lord Hammond.
As soon as voters realise just how much it will cost them (and how little it will achieve), this policy is dead.
Former chancellor says there's a ‘cross-party disease’ of politicians not being straight with voters about significant true cost of project
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 30, 2023 9:45:50 GMT
I'll find out for myself in the next few days. Flying to New York this evening, and tomorrow morning I board a train at Grand Central which will get me to L.A by Wednesday (via Chicago and Albuquerque)..
I hate air travel. REALLY hate it. I spend the entire flight listening to soothing things and clutching the armrest. On the other hand, I love rail. Aside from one mistake in using Russian trains, years ago, I always enjoy it. And spending two nights and the best part of three days watching the Midwest from the comfort of an Amtrak observation car is my idea of a good time. (My Excellent Assistant was offered the chance of spending that time in my company. For some unfathomable reason she's chosen instead to spend a couple of days sightseeing in NYC and flying to LA before joining me later. Go figure.)
Anyway. Factor 200 sunscreen packed, and see you later in August.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 9:46:33 GMT
For me its about being popular? Im beginning to think you are a bit of a nutjob zany.
Im scottish , one of three who frequent this forum , and a scottish independence supporter. You cant get much more unpopular , or in a minority view with the majority against you on a predominantly pro english pro british forum in terms of views and membership.
you rarely if ever get to the core of any subject on here. you are either punting prophecies of doom about the climate , or cheering on the debanking of people you dont like wether its right or wrong.
Hardly the mark of a self professed dissecter of political debate.
Then why is it important to you that you are on the side of the 'winners' in any thread. Surely what's important is the facts and the truth. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 9:54:33 GMT
Well at least you've learned something, even if it was against your will to do so.
Yes I do where necessary, I was playing yours back at you. The thing you hopefully have learned is that ULEZ is not part of net zero. Hopefully you have now read a bit about Net Zero and realised the things the public are protesting about are not Net Zero but are being misused by the climate deniers.
Blah blah stereotype stereotype. yawn.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 9:56:18 GMT
I'll find out for myself in the next few days. Flying to New York this evening, and tomorrow morning I board a train at Grand Central which will get me to L.A by Wednesday (via Chicago and Albuquerque).. I hate air travel. REALLY hate it. I spend the entire flight listening to soothing things and clutching the armrest. On the other hand, I love rail. Aside from one mistake in using Russian trains, years ago, I always enjoy it. And spending two nights and the best part of three days watching the Midwest from the comfort of an Amtrak observation car is my idea of a good time. (My Excellent Assistant was offered the chance of spending that time in my company. For some unfathomable reason she's chosen instead to spend a couple of days sightseeing in NYC and flying to LA before joining me later. Go figure.) Anyway. Factor 200 sunscreen packed, and see you later in August. Have a good trip. |
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that meat eaters are the equivalent of devil worshippers of old.
Im beginning to think you are a bit of a nutjob zany.