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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 18:45:34 GMT
i though you would say that zany. Across two recent threads and differing subjects , we have all seen your anti democratic stance in action where you consistently support those "who hold the wrong view" being cancelled . Anti democratic? Remind me Thomas how did the Indy vote go? A subject you never stop banging on about. Surely a real democrat would just shut up and accept it? |
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Post by thomas on Jul 29, 2023 18:46:25 GMT
Everybody knows what I mean by climate change. Everyone also knows what pedantic means.
is this a serious question or another of your pathetic attmepts at a put down?
With the amount of face you have lost on this forum over farage in recent days , im not sure your fragile ego could take much more beatings .
I've lost no face. Do you know what it is or not? Its not too late to look it up. thought this a good article zany in line with my earlier thoughts. The question is , have you adherents of climate alarmism actually thought net zero through , and its implications politically? Looks like you have backed yet another losing horse zany...
The political battle for net zero is only just beginning
This may come to be remembered as the year where the global warming debate became serious. Until now, there has been a shrill quality to the discussion with emotive language used in place of reason. Yes, there’s a serious problem facing the planet – but to what extent would the proposed solutions address this problem? What are the trade offs involved? How does decarbonisation rub up against other obligations, like alleviating cost-of-living pressures and protecting the elderly from the cold?
Deadlines that once seemed far away – like the 2030 ban on new petrol cars – are now getting rather close and focusing minds. The public certainly are concerned about the environment, as evidenced by consumer choices and behaviours, but they are unwilling to be taken for fools.
But as we see all over Europe, these same people are unwilling to believe the more hyperbolic claims of politicians and pay large taxes for pointless schemes. The Tories may not yet be willing to drop May’s commitment to reach net zero by 2050. But any party which wants to win the next election is going to have to convince the public that green policies are not going to condemn them to a poorer future – and be prepared to relax cherished green policies where necessary.
realpolitik zany. A word that once again is going to come back and haunt you , this time on the climate hysteria....
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Post by thomas on Jul 29, 2023 18:51:36 GMT
i though you would say that zany. Across two recent threads and differing subjects , we have all seen your anti democratic stance in action where you consistently support those "who hold the wrong view" being cancelled . Anti democratic. You mean the stupid idea that everyone should be given equal speaking space on any subject regardless of their knowledge base. And each be given equal weight. Yeah. I got the lung specialist and a Ferrari expert in to discuss my mums COPD. The lung specialist wittered on about her smoking, but the Ferrari expert says she'll be fine with a new carburettor. Sigh. sigh all you like zany. Telling people they have stupid ideas , and must blindly follow your new labour wisdom on all subjects such as debanking those with wrong views and becoming poorer for your climate fantasy is typical of your arrogance on this forum.
thats rich. You imply you are a businessman , and yet in the farage thread display a lack of business acumen that a high school business studies student could take apart in five minutes , and you talk about peoples opinions being irrelevant due to lack of so called knowledge?
I do love a good bit of satire zany , but you stretch that to the limit on this forum with your daily witterings and constant bullshit while losing arguments.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 18:52:10 GMT
God it's so tedious when people play the moderator card. It goes with the territory Sadly Given the actions of JSO why is it unreasonable to think that? Course you do,but as with above It goes with the territory It will be used against you at times. Have JSO been burning down forests? I must have missed that. Suggesting environmentalists are setting wildfires is like saying Catholics burnt down Notre Dame to highlight Muslim terrorism. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 29, 2023 18:53:29 GMT
I've lost no face. Do you know what it is or not? Its not too late to look it up. thought this a good article zany in line with my earlier thoughts. The question is , have you adherents of climate alarmism actually thought net zero through , and its implications politically? Looks like you have backed yet another losing horse zany...
The political battle for net zero is only just beginning
This may come to be remembered as the year where the global warming debate became serious. Until now, there has been a shrill quality to the discussion with emotive language used in place of reason. Yes, there’s a serious problem facing the planet – but to what extent would the proposed solutions address this problem? What are the trade offs involved? How does decarbonisation rub up against other obligations, like alleviating cost-of-living pressures and protecting the elderly from the cold?
Deadlines that once seemed far away – like the 2030 ban on new petrol cars – are now getting rather close and focusing minds. The public certainly are concerned about the environment, as evidenced by consumer choices and behaviours, but they are unwilling to be taken for fools.
But as we see all over Europe, these same people are unwilling to believe the more hyperbolic claims of politicians and pay large taxes for pointless schemes. The Tories may not yet be willing to drop May’s commitment to reach net zero by 2050. But any party which wants to win the next election is going to have to convince the public that green policies are not going to condemn them to a poorer future – and be prepared to relax cherished green policies where necessary.
realpolitik zany. A word that once again is going to come back and haunt you , this time on the climate hysteria....
You see. Only someone without a clue would think ULEZ has anything to do with net zero. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 29, 2023 18:56:18 GMT
i though you would say that zany. Across two recent threads and differing subjects , we have all seen your anti democratic stance in action where you consistently support those "who hold the wrong view" being cancelled . Anti democratic? Remind me Thomas how did the Indy vote go? A subject you never stop banging on about. Surely a real democrat would just shut up and accept it? aye anti democratic monte. We have went over this relentlessly havent we? The indy ref is in no way comparabale to your sides attempt to overthrow a referendum result after you lost in 2016.
We implemented our result straight away , and got on with it without any temper tantrums and screaming that democracy hadnt gone our way while you didnt.
No one likes a sore loser mate. trying to stop referendum results being implemented , cheering on those with the wrong views cancellation , screaming daily hysteria about the climate , the list goes on . You can see why new labour lose two thirds of uk elections over modern political history.
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Post by thomas on Jul 29, 2023 18:58:02 GMT
thought this a good article zany in line with my earlier thoughts. The question is , have you adherents of climate alarmism actually thought net zero through , and its implications politically? Looks like you have backed yet another losing horse zany...
The political battle for net zero is only just beginning
This may come to be remembered as the year where the global warming debate became serious. Until now, there has been a shrill quality to the discussion with emotive language used in place of reason. Yes, there’s a serious problem facing the planet – but to what extent would the proposed solutions address this problem? What are the trade offs involved? How does decarbonisation rub up against other obligations, like alleviating cost-of-living pressures and protecting the elderly from the cold?
Deadlines that once seemed far away – like the 2030 ban on new petrol cars – are now getting rather close and focusing minds. The public certainly are concerned about the environment, as evidenced by consumer choices and behaviours, but they are unwilling to be taken for fools.
But as we see all over Europe, these same people are unwilling to believe the more hyperbolic claims of politicians and pay large taxes for pointless schemes. The Tories may not yet be willing to drop May’s commitment to reach net zero by 2050. But any party which wants to win the next election is going to have to convince the public that green policies are not going to condemn them to a poorer future – and be prepared to relax cherished green policies where necessary.
realpolitik zany. A word that once again is going to come back and haunt you , this time on the climate hysteria....
You see. Only someone without a clue would think ULEZ has anything to do with net zero. i bow to your superior wisdom and judgement zany. I know im not worthy , but im honoured to read your lectures in all things on a daily basis.somebody better tell public health scotland..... |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 29, 2023 19:02:58 GMT
It goes with the territory Sadly Given the actions of JSO why is it unreasonable to think that? Course you do,but as with above It goes with the territory It will be used against you at times. Have JSO been burning down forests? I must have missed that. Suggesting environmentalists are setting wildfires is like saying Catholics burnt down Notre Dame to highlight Muslim terrorism. That’s not what I said as you are well aware and you are being silly. JSO are holding up traffic thereby increasing exhaust output, that’s not a million miles away from some fool lighting fires to further their cause. Such actions by people for the cause are not unknown. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 29, 2023 19:07:35 GMT
Anti democratic. You mean the stupid idea that everyone should be given equal speaking space on any subject regardless of their knowledge base. And each be given equal weight. Yeah. I got the lung specialist and a Ferrari expert in to discuss my mums COPD. The lung specialist wittered on about her smoking, but the Ferrari expert says she'll be fine with a new carburettor. Sigh. Only if you believe he was debanked. Or even more comic. silenced. 
I don't imply it, I am a managing director of a company currently employing 122 people. The rest of your sentence is just a poor attempt at a put down, just failed.
Whatever. I have learned over the years on forums that whenever someone loses an argument or gets out of their depth they quickly turn to empty claims of being better than their opponents.
Personally I'm more interested in the arguments of the intelligent than the insults of the stupid.
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Post by thomas on Jul 29, 2023 19:16:57 GMT
Only if you believe he was debanked. Or even more comic. silenced.
I don't imply it, I am a managing director of a company currently employing 122 people. The rest of your sentence is just a poor attempt at a put down, just failed.
Whatever. I have learned over the years on forums that whenever someone loses an argument or gets out of their depth they quickly turn to empty claims of being better than their opponents.
Personally I'm more interested in the arguments of the intelligent than the insults of the stupid.
lmfao.
what is it 115 pages on the farage thread i started , and you have been trying and failing miserably since you entered the fray , to argue the impossible and get the majority of folk to see any sort of sense in any of your lame arguments?
and you find all this time to come on here and educate us mere plebs ? What a star you are zany. I think there are people on this forum who could buy and sell you ten times over , but they dont run around bragging about it constantly.
hoist by your own petard?
if intelligence means zanys empty one line posts of irrelevance , im glad you regard me as stupid. I cant think of a higher compliment.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 29, 2023 19:29:28 GMT
Anti democratic? Remind me Thomas how did the Indy vote go? A subject you never stop banging on about. Surely a real democrat would just shut up and accept it? aye anti democratic monte. We have went over this relentlessly havent we? The indy ref is in no way comparabale to your sides attempt to overthrow a referendum result after you lost in 2016.
We implemented our result straight away , and got on with it without any temper tantrums and screaming that democracy hadnt gone our way while you didnt.
No one likes a sore loser mate. trying to stop referendum results being implemented , cheering on those with the wrong views cancellation , screaming daily hysteria about the climate , the list goes on . You can see why new labour lose two thirds of uk elections over modern political history.
Anti-democratic like complaining about net zero when it was a manifesto promise of a government that received a thumping majority at the last GE? Sounds like your grapes need a little added sugar. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 29, 2023 20:14:41 GMT
aye anti democratic monte. We have went over this relentlessly havent we? The indy ref is in no way comparabale to your sides attempt to overthrow a referendum result after you lost in 2016.
We implemented our result straight away , and got on with it without any temper tantrums and screaming that democracy hadnt gone our way while you didnt.
No one likes a sore loser mate. trying to stop referendum results being implemented , cheering on those with the wrong views cancellation , screaming daily hysteria about the climate , the list goes on . You can see why new labour lose two thirds of uk elections over modern political history.
Anti-democratic like complaining about net zero when it was a manifesto promise of a government that received a thumping majority at the last GE? Sounds like your grapes need a little added sugar. lol.
Its not anti democratic to lose a referendum , implement the result ,and then campaign anew. It is anti democratic to lose a referendum , demand the result isnt implemeted while demanding a second go. No matter how much you twist and turn on the subject monte , thats a stain anglo remaienrs are going to find difficult washing out.
As for the latest desperation about net zero and manifestos....well yes and no monte.
The guardian was bleating the tory manifesto barely mentioned the climate crises in 2019 , and that the conservatives didnt take it serious and johnson wouldnt take part in any scheduled climate debates
i think arguing the tories were elected on a net zero manifesto in 2019 , when we all know brexit was the pressing reason they gained a thumping majority is barrel scraping monte.
As the net zero policies hit home , im sure someone as used to losing elections and referendums such as yourself while arguing voters must have another go will be right behind the electorate voting agaisnt any party that champions further net zero madness in future elections.
Net zero isnt popualr with tory voters as we know , and recently it was found only 4 % of tory voters support net zero or find it important.
Net zero slumps to bottom of Tory members’ priority list
we also know in countires like /germany , and elswhere in europe , voters are turning agaisnt net zero as economies worsen ..
The rise of the AfD should come as no surprise. Germans are protesting against an elite that wants to impose woke ideology and Net Zero austerity. The establishment has given voters no alternative, writes Sabine Beppler-Spah
Whopping 82% of Berlin’s Voters Refuse to Support Net Zero 2030 as Referendum Fails
You are backing another losing horse monte.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 30, 2023 0:45:39 GMT
Anti-democratic like complaining about net zero when it was a manifesto promise of a government that received a thumping majority at the last GE? Sounds like your grapes need a little added sugar. lol.
Its not anti democratic to lose a referendum , implement the result ,and then campaign anew. It is anti democratic to lose a referendum , demand the result isnt implemeted while demanding a second go. No matter how much you twist and turn on the subject monte , thats a stain anglo remaienrs are going to find difficult washing out.
As for the latest desperation about net zero and manifestos....well yes and no monte.
The guardian was bleating the tory manifesto barely mentioned the climate crises in 2019 , and that the conservatives didnt take it serious and johnson wouldnt take part in any scheduled climate debates
i think arguing the tories were elected on a net zero manifesto in 2019 , when we all know brexit was the pressing reason they gained a thumping majority is barrel scraping monte.
As the net zero policies hit home , im sure someone as used to losing elections and referendums such as yourself while arguing voters must have another go will be right behind the electorate voting agaisnt any party that champions further net zero madness in future elections.
Net zero isnt popualr with tory voters as we know , and recently it was found only 4 % of tory voters support net zero or find it important.
Net zero slumps to bottom of Tory members’ priority list
we also know in countires like /germany , and elswhere in europe , voters are turning agaisnt net zero as economies worsen ..
The rise of the AfD should come as no surprise. Germans are protesting against an elite that wants to impose woke ideology and Net Zero austerity. The establishment has given voters no alternative, writes Sabine Beppler-Spah
Whopping 82% of Berlin’s Voters Refuse to Support Net Zero 2030 as Referendum Fails
You are backing another losing horse monte.
If I lose this one we all lose. It will be even worse for our children and their children. The climate crisis isn't going away and the longer it takes us to address it the more expensive it will get. The time for excuses is over. It's time for action. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 30, 2023 1:02:17 GMT
lol.
Its not anti democratic to lose a referendum , implement the result ,and then campaign anew. It is anti democratic to lose a referendum , demand the result isnt implemeted while demanding a second go. No matter how much you twist and turn on the subject monte , thats a stain anglo remaienrs are going to find difficult washing out.
As for the latest desperation about net zero and manifestos....well yes and no monte.
The guardian was bleating the tory manifesto barely mentioned the climate crises in 2019 , and that the conservatives didnt take it serious and johnson wouldnt take part in any scheduled climate debates
i think arguing the tories were elected on a net zero manifesto in 2019 , when we all know brexit was the pressing reason they gained a thumping majority is barrel scraping monte.
As the net zero policies hit home , im sure someone as used to losing elections and referendums such as yourself while arguing voters must have another go will be right behind the electorate voting agaisnt any party that champions further net zero madness in future elections.
Net zero isnt popualr with tory voters as we know , and recently it was found only 4 % of tory voters support net zero or find it important.
Net zero slumps to bottom of Tory members’ priority list
we also know in countires like /germany , and elswhere in europe , voters are turning agaisnt net zero as economies worsen ..
The rise of the AfD should come as no surprise. Germans are protesting against an elite that wants to impose woke ideology and Net Zero austerity. The establishment has given voters no alternative, writes Sabine Beppler-Spah
Whopping 82% of Berlin’s Voters Refuse to Support Net Zero 2030 as Referendum Fails
You are backing another losing horse monte.
If I lose this one we all lose. It will be even worse for our children and their children. The climate crisis isn't going away and the longer it takes us to address it the more expensive it will get.The time for excuses is over. It's time for action. That depends whether you believe it all,many don’t and see it as an overreaction |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 30, 2023 1:17:23 GMT
If I lose this one we all lose. It will be even worse for our children and their children. The climate crisis isn't going away and the longer it takes us to address it the more expensive it will get.The time for excuses is over. It's time for action. That depends whether you believe it all,many don’t and see it as an overreaction You'd have to be blind not to see it all around us. Records being broken around the planet. Some people just don't want to see it though. Their package holidays and last century technology is too important to them. We can't wait for them to catch up though so we'll just have to leave them behind. |
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