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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 9:59:04 GMT
Extreme fire risk with EV´s exposed to salt water - Coast Guard issues alert to not allow on ships
The U.S. Coast Guard is warning the shipping industry of the extreme risk of loading electric vehicles with damaged Lithium-Ion batteries onto commercial vessels.
As CTIF.org has reported before, saltwater exposure can harm Lithium-Ion batteries, and cause a chemical reaction which creates a high fire risk. This was discovered in the aftermath of Hurricane Ian when a large amount of EVs with damaged batteries caught fire in southern Florida.
In the aftermath of the category 4 hurricane, first responders encountered numerous EV fires where investigations have determined were caused by exposure of the Lithium-Ion batteries to saltwater.
“Vessels, ports, and shippers should be aware of this extreme risk and avoid loading EVs with damaged Lithium-Ion onto commercial vessels,” the US Coast Guard safety alert reads.
An earlier safety alert (Safety Alert 01-22)was issued last March which highlights a recent incident where improperly discarded Lithium-Ion batteries caught fire in a container while en route to the Port of Virginia, where it was set to be loaded onto a ship. The container’s bill of lading allegedly listed the contents as “computer parts,” not lithium batteries.
Wow that's a serious problem. Can't believe the batteries are open to the elements like that. I wonder if in future EV's will be transported with their batteries flat. That or the car sealed in plastic. Edit. Just realised it says with damaged batteries. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 10:00:00 GMT
For me its about being popular?  Im beginning to think you are a bit of a nutjob zany.
Im scottish , one of three who frequent this forum , and a scottish independence supporter. You cant get much more unpopular , or in a minority view with the majority against you on a predominantly pro english pro british forum in terms of views and membership.
you rarely if ever get to the core of any subject on here. you are either punting prophecies of doom about the climate , or cheering on the debanking of people you dont like wether its right or wrong.
Hardly the mark of a self professed dissecter of political debate.
Then why is it important to you that you are on the side of the 'winners' in any thread. Surely what's important is the facts and the truth. i think we have sensibly dealt with your "its all about being popular" as nothing more than imbecillic nonsense.
I hold my own views on various subjects irrelevant on what the majority think or what is popular. The scot indy example is a clear indicator of that. If my views though do tend to coincide with others , on stuff like how wrong it is debanking someone for their views , or how i believe more and more the climate scam is going to push the oridnary working man into even more poverty , that isnt about popularity , its merely once again how you middle class liberals with your new labour propaganda are pushing the whole of uk society against you and uniting the left right and centre of uk politics against your so called facts and what you beleive is the truth.
Nothing more sick that a liberal sniggering at a man for being debanked , or telling people to shut up and eat their porridge over the climate scam.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 10:01:21 GMT
. The thing you hopefully have learned is that ULEZ is not part of net zero.
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tell that to public health scotland. obviously an organisation like that could learn so much from a businessman and all round expert on bullshit like yourself.... |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 10:02:07 GMT
I'll find out for myself in the next few days. Flying to New York this evening, and tomorrow morning I board a train at Grand Central which will get me to L.A by Wednesday (via Chicago and Albuquerque).. I hate air travel. REALLY hate it. I spend the entire flight listening to soothing things and clutching the armrest. On the other hand, I love rail. Aside from one mistake in using Russian trains, years ago, I always enjoy it. And spending two nights and the best part of three days watching the Midwest from the comfort of an Amtrak observation car is my idea of a good time. (My Excellent Assistant was offered the chance of spending that time in my company. For some unfathomable reason she's chosen instead to spend a couple of days sightseeing in NYC and flying to LA before joining me later. Go figure.) Anyway. Factor 200 sunscreen packed, and see you later in August. all the best walter. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 10:08:23 GMT
Then why is it important to you that you are on the side of the 'winners' in any thread. Surely what's important is the facts and the truth.
Then why was it important to you that I had failed to persuade anyone of my views. Its not important to me, I just want to give people the facts, explain the misnomers (Such as ULEZ being about Net Zero) or (Co2 not causing global warming) Whether they like me for it is immaterial. I have enough friends in the real world.
That's excellent provided they are based on fact. So many feel their views are so important that any lie or misinformation slight or insult is OK so long as they get their views accepted.
You are on a right wing forum full of old men. Try looking at a few surveys before you claim the whole public is up in arms and backs your views.
Blah blah stereotype stereotype . Yawn.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 10:09:19 GMT
tell that to public health scotland. obviously an organisation like that could learn so much from a businessman and all round expert on bullshit like yourself.... Public health Scotland already know. Its you who doesn't know. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 30, 2023 10:15:29 GMT
I'll find out for myself in the next few days. Flying to New York this evening, and tomorrow morning I board a train at Grand Central which will get me to L.A by Wednesday (via Chicago and Albuquerque).. I hate air travel. REALLY hate it. I spend the entire flight listening to soothing things and clutching the armrest. On the other hand, I love rail. Aside from one mistake in using Russian trains, years ago, I always enjoy it. And spending two nights and the best part of three days watching the Midwest from the comfort of an Amtrak observation car is my idea of a good time. (My Excellent Assistant was offered the chance of spending that time in my company. For some unfathomable reason she's chosen instead to spend a couple of days sightseeing in NYC and flying to LA before joining me later. Go figure.) Anyway. Factor 200 sunscreen packed, and see you later in August. Don't forget to send us a postcard. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 10:23:27 GMT
Then why was it important to you that I had failed to persuade anyone of my views. Its not important to me, I just want to give people the facts, explain the misnomers (Such as ULEZ being about Net Zero) or (Co2 not causing global warming) Whether they like me for it is immaterial. I have enough friends in the real world.
In case it escaped your notice zany , this is a supposed political deabting forum for us to debate our various points of view. If that isnt important to you , then why are you on here? Would you prefer a new labour jerk circle of nodding heads to zany lectures instead?
Thats often the way with narcissists.
can you translate this for me? We are here to debate political views . Some you win some you lose. I cant help it if you appear to be on the wrong end of every debate , with your churlish views when folk dont agree with you about sniggering over the debanking of people you hate in the political world , before we even start on cimate discussions.
Well im middle aged , im not right wing or a try/brexiter/ukip voter .So much for my popular views on a froum you now describe as the opposite to everything i stand for?
is this the same rubbish you were spouting on the old forum about the silent majority backing remain in 2019 , and had your arse handed to you on a plate? in political reuslts at the ballot box what was it 5 nil to brexiters over a period from 2015 to 2019 ?
The majority outside this forum appeared to have madssive sympathy with farage over his debanking , you let your personal hatred override common sense. The majority appear to be turning against the climate scam according to various reports in various countries.
i wont hold my breath zany when a political serial loser like you tells me about surveys and what the public thinks
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 10:24:37 GMT
tell that to public health scotland. obviously an organisation like that could learn so much from a businessman and all round expert on bullshit like yourself.... Public health Scotland already know. Its you who doesn't know. prove it? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 10:51:17 GMT
No it hadn't escaped me. Why does that apply to you but apparently not me? Why are your words valid opinions but mine are lectures from left wing blah blah...
Wrong thread.
Never said you were. I said this forum.
Now let it go. Stop attacking me and attack my posts if you can.
You see. This is always your argument. Attack the poster not the facts. The polls are out there for you to read, you can challenge them if you like, but they are NOT MY POLLS.
As for handing my arse on a plate. You mean you ignored the polls I linked and shouted me down? Then yes you are right.
Excellent. Do you have any evidence of that?
I haven't given anyone any polls on Farage. I have linked polls on peoples opinion on climate change. Maybe you should separate out your threads, you seem to be confusing yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 11:17:31 GMT
Lets look carefully at what - steppenwolf - states in a previous post-------------------------------------------------------------------------------When you've understood what the question is, look again at the pointless statistics you posted:
- 100% of scientists agree that climate change is happening. Of course. No one has ever denied this.
- Not all scientists agree that it is caused by humans. Obviously, because it's not. Some is caused by humans and some by natural effects.
- There are a tiny minority who disagree on the cause. Nonsense. Almost all of them disagree on the cause. The "attribution" has NEVER been done - and all the scientists admit this.
And then look at the nonsense statistics that you posted. Are you aware of how these figures were arrived at? The authors (who were NOT scientists) did google searches on a large number of peer reviewed papers and skimmed through them to decide whether they supported "man-made climate change" or not - whatever that means. Unfortunately the fact is that most of these peer-reviewed papers were not even about the causes of climate change - they were about the consequences of climate change. This is a fairly fundamental misunderstanding. So they are completely irrelevant to the current debate. FYI there are NO peer-reviewed papers on the causes of climate change - for the simple reason that no one CAN peer-review this stuff without access to all the computers and computer staff that were involved in writing them. I could tell you more but I'm afraid that your knowledge level ahs already been exceeded.
Most scientists say they don't know --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scientific consensus on causation: Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2015) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science. A 2019 study found scientific consensus to be at 100%, and a 2021 study concluded that consensus exceeded 99%. Another 2021 study found that 98.7% of climate experts indicated that the Earth is getting warmer mostly because of human activity.Powell (2013) - James L. Powell analyzed published research on global warming and climate change between 1991 and 2012 and found that of the 13,950 articles in peer-reviewed journals, only 24 (<0.2%) rejected anthropogenic global warming. Powell (2019) - In 2019, James L. Powell, a former member of the National Science Board, analysed titles of peer-reviewed studies published in the first seven months of 2019 and found not a single study disagreed with the consensus view. Myers (2021) - Krista Myers led a paper which surveyed 2780 Earth scientists. Depending on expertise, between 91% (all scientists) to 100% (climate scientists with high levels of expertise, 20+ papers published) agreed human activity is causing climate change. Among the total group of climate scientists, 98.7% agreed. Lynas (2021) - In 2021, Mark Lynas et al assessed studies published between 2012 and 2020. They found over 80,000 studies. They analysed a random subset of 3000. Four of these were skeptical of the human cause of climate change, 845 were endorsing the human cause perspective at different levels, and 1869 were indifferent to the question. The authors estimated the proportion of papers not skeptical of the human cause as 99.85% (95% confidence limit 99.62%–99.96%). Excluding papers which took no position on the human cause led to an estimate of the proportion of consensus papers as 99.53% (95% confidence limit 98.80%–99.87%). They confirmed their numbers by explicitly looking for alternative hypotheses in the entire dataset, which resulted in 28 papers. Where steppenwolf states that "most scientists dont know" that is absolutely not true Where s teppenwolf claims that "the authors were not scientists" he is incorrect Where steppenwolf claims that these in depth researches by eminent scientists were conducted via "google searches" - this is not true.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:30:42 GMT
No it hadn't escaped me. Why does that apply to you but apparently not me? Why are your words valid opinions but mine are lectures from left wing blah blah...
Wrong thread.
Never said you were. I said this forum.
Now let it go. Stop attacking me and attack my posts if you can.
You see. This is always your argument. Attack the poster not the facts. The polls are out there for you to read, you can challenge them if you like, but they are NOT MY POLLS.
As for handing my arse on a plate. You mean you ignored the polls I linked and shouted me down? Then yes you are right.
Excellent. Do you have any evidence of that?
I haven't given anyone any polls on Farage. I have linked polls on peoples opinion on climate change. Maybe you should separate out your threads, you seem to be confusing yourself.
Ok lets look at your latest rubbish.
perhaps because of your condescending tone and self important attitude.
i am attacking your posts. Stop hiding behind frail sensibilities.
you attack everyone on this forum by claiming they are right wing old men , then bleat someone is attacking you and not your arguments? self awareness isnt strong with you is it zany.
What polls are you talking about?
evidence of what ? How brexiters won five votes on the trot between 2015 and 2019 dspite claims otherwise? Its a matter of public record.
polls dont win debates or elections mate. As it stands though on climate change , i too have posted polls showing how people are slowly turning against the measures politicians are trying to introduce to fight so called man made global warming or whatever you call it now.
My point consistenly has been that while folk sympathise with looking after our planet , they arent going to make themselves poorer in doing so , as the uproar over glasgow and londons low emission zones , scepticism over electic cars and its infrastructure by 2030 , and for exmaple the tories preparing to abandon climate targets to win the next election as a few small examples show.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 13:18:37 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 15:58:30 GMT
Here's what Skea said. Translated.
The new chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Jim Skea, does not believe in doomsday scenarios in connection with climate change. "Consistently sending out the message that we are all doomed cripples people and prevents them from taking the actions needed to deal with climate change," said Skea a few days after his election in conversation with the German Press Agency
Skea: There are technologies to curb climate change
With co-authors of the most recent reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he always attached importance to seeing the "silver lining on the horizon". The technologies and instruments to curb climate change are available, they just have to be applied. “The future of man is in our hands. Let's use that," said the 69-year-old.
The seventh assessment cycle of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) begins with the election of the professor for sustainable energy at the London elite university Imperial College. The Council is a UN body based in Geneva. For him, experts compile the scientific knowledge on climate change every five to seven years. They show options for action and their respective consequences.
But governments make decisions. The IPCC reports are the most important basis for political decisions to mitigate climate change. The next reports are expected in the late 2020s.
"Everyone can do something"
"Get involved!" Skea said to all earthlings. “Don't sit on the sofa and watch the climate change debates. Everyone can do something.” Skea referred to citizens' initiatives, but also citizens' dialogues of municipal authorities or elections at municipal level. “A lot of the most important decisions will be made there.”
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 15:59:29 GMT
I agree with him. Scaring people doesn't work, but then nor does doing nothing.
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Im beginning to think you are a bit of a nutjob zany.
