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Post by wapentake on Jul 12, 2023 21:46:09 GMT
Returning to the thread mainstream, i was told some years ago that Shirley Williams, the agent behind the destruction by bulldozing of the grammar school i had earned the right to attend by virtue of my 11+ pass, and many other such places, ensured her own offspring enjoyed a private school education While such people in such positions of power abuse it to deny those of us not in possession of an MP’s salary and perks the education we snd our own children deserve the least we can do is tax their arses off to provide the best we can in the swamps left to us. This kind of hypocrisy confirms to me that politics is the art of lying and the political elite ( both left and right ) despise the working class . In reply to both you and John that is entirely correct,there are people defending this as some sort of system of philanthropy where the great and the good ensure the plebs enjoy what their kids do,they don’t a measly 1% do and that’s window dressing more than paid for by the charity scam and that for reasons best known they also get a fair wedge of public money. This system ensures a continuity of both political and business hegemony and we have people here enthusing how wonderful it all is,this is designed to keep them where they are and the plebs in their place and we shouldn’t forget these are the same people who laugh behind our backs ignore our wishes and many who have done their damndest to scupper brexit,they may throw a few crumbs the plebs way but make no mistake and it includes both main parties they do what’s best for them. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2023 6:24:17 GMT
It's a mistake to assume that private schools are exclusively used by the "Great and the good". There are many ordinary families making great sacrifices to send their child to private school.
Slap them with a 20% price increase and many won't be able to afford it, which will only add to the strain on the state system.
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 13, 2023 11:31:52 GMT
If you hypothetically close all public schools, the state sector will have to raise their standards, tighten up on bad behaviour, have a large pool of very good teachers, access to great playing fields and other facilities and accept parents who insist on high standards.
Sounds good to me.
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Post by jonksy on Jul 13, 2023 13:03:41 GMT
It's a mistake to assume that private schools are exclusively used by the "Great and the good". There are many ordinary families making great sacrifices to send their child to private school.
Slap them with a 20% price increase and many won't be able to afford it, which will only add to the strain on the state system. Exactly mate........They send them there rather than have them indoctrinatd by the loony lefy so-called teachers in state schools.......And least if there is any hint of indoctrination in private schools the parents can withdraw their kids from these schools and find a woke free public school. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2023 13:35:24 GMT
If you hypothetically close all public schools, the state sector will have to raise their standards, tighten up on bad behaviour, have a large pool of very good teachers, access to great playing fields and other facilities and accept parents who insist on high standards. Sounds good to me. No public schools = lower tax take = less money to spend in the state sector. Coupled to the state sector's less than stellar performance over multiple decades and your hypothesis seems unlikely. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 13, 2023 13:50:19 GMT
If you hypothetically close all public schools, the state sector will have to raise their standards, tighten up on bad behaviour, have a large pool of very good teachers, access to great playing fields and other facilities and accept parents who insist on high standards. Sounds good to me. No public schools = lower tax take = less money to spend in the state sector. Coupled to the state sector's less than stellar performance over multiple decades and your hypothesis seems unlikely. Read what i wrote. How can there be a lower taw revenue if you close fee paying schools? The point is they already dont pay tax. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 13, 2023 13:54:42 GMT
It's a mistake to assume that private schools are exclusively used by the "Great and the good". There are many ordinary families making great sacrifices to send their child to private school.
Slap them with a 20% price increase and many won't be able to afford it, which will only add to the strain on the state system. Exactly mate........They send them there rather than have them indoctrinatd by the loony lefy so-called teachers in state schools.......And least if there is any hint of indoctrination in private schools the parents can withdraw their kids from these schools and find a woke free public school. Jonksy these are the kids of politicians and big business and are both left and right,their kids go to these schools take their parents places in positions of power,politics and business if you think they ever give a flying one about you or any of us plebs you’re sadly mistaken. They do what’s best for the few (themselves) and don’t give a stuff about the many,they have that power and use it so the money stays with them and only the little people like you and me pay taxes. They are the ones taking society and the country where you don’t like,they believe you made a mistake in how you voted and they made the mistake of allowing that vote and will overturn it. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9026125/Eton-parents-fear-children-indoctrinated-woke-political-agenda.html |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 14:05:20 GMT
Yes, but private education or public schools as they are called are a luxury. They should be charged at a higher luxury VAT rate. Why is private education a luxury but private healthcare not? does not compute.. Private healthcare may be a luxury, but not if the particular treatment is not available on the NHS |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 13, 2023 15:43:39 GMT
My opinion.
You can be actually loaded with money and want you son to go to Eton , however if your son cannot pass the entrance exam which is deigned to see if he has the potential to progress through the school they will not accept him, its not fair on the child, even if accepted and starts to really struggle keeping up, the will instruct you to remove
The test consists of:
English: Corrective spelling, punctuation and grammar exercises, comprehension and cloze procedures.
Maths: Challenging word problems, being able to work with lots of information to work out a problem.
Reasoning: Both verbal and non-verbal reasoning which require logical and lateral thinking.
It is important that boys have a good level of computer proficiency, especially being able to type a response to a comprehension question, as well as being able to follow on-screen instructions.
When it comes to Independent Schools the majority of which are Girls only same thing, they will not accept them if they cannot pass the entrance exam.
As for Private Medical Insurance it is cheaper than ever before , as little as £25 a month as the Insurance Companies compete with each other as many cancelled their cover during the Global Financial meltdown
Only the rich and famous can have boob and nose jobs bum lifts or whatever , at Private Clinics in places such as Harley Street in London ,
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2023 16:04:55 GMT
No public schools = lower tax take = less money to spend in the state sector. Coupled to the state sector's less than stellar performance over multiple decades and your hypothesis seems unlikely. Read what i wrote. How can there be a lower taw revenue if you close fee paying schools? The point is they already dont pay tax. No, currently they don't pay VAT on fees. They pay every other applicable tax. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 13, 2023 18:26:08 GMT
Read what i wrote. How can there be a lower taw revenue if you close fee paying schools? The point is they already dont pay tax. No, currently they don't pay VAT on fees. They pay every other applicable tax. So does everyone else. The question is should parents of fee paying schools benefit from the non payment of VALUE ADDED TAX(which i hope happens) due to their charitable status. How do they justify being a charity? Surely their purpose is to ADD VALUE. Which is taxed everywhere else. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2023 19:00:32 GMT
The question is should parents of fee paying schools benefit from the non payment of VALUE ADDED TAX(which i hope happens) due to their charitable status. How do they justify being a charity? It has nothing to do with their charitable status - all education and training is VAT exempt along with many other goods and services. Exempt goods and servicesThere are some goods and services on which VAT is not charged, including: insurance, finance and credit education and training fundraising events by charities subscriptions to membership organisations selling, leasing and letting of commercial land and buildings — this exemption can be waived These items are exempt from VAT so are not taxable. You do not include sales of exempt goods or services in your taxable turnover for VAT purposes. And if you buy exempt items, there is no VAT to reclaim. And there are many more VAT free goods and services: www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#food-and-drink-animals-animal-feed-plants-and-seeds |
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Post by oracle75 on Jul 14, 2023 7:04:31 GMT
I am not interested in who else is exempt from VAT.
My question is can fee paying schools be considered as charities?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 14, 2023 9:26:13 GMT
I am not interested in who else is exempt from VAT. Then why single out private schools? It is very difficult to see that as anything other than the politics of envy. My question is can fee paying schools be considered as charities? But as already stated, that's irrelevant to the question of VAT. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 14, 2023 9:57:19 GMT
I am not interested in who else is exempt from VAT. Then why single out private schools? It is very difficult to see that as anything other than the politics of envy. My question is can fee paying schools be considered as charities? But as already stated, that's irrelevant to the question of VAT. “Politics of envy” is just another phrase dreamed up to discredit this or that,pretty much like I”m a mere custodian lol. More expensive cars attract a higher tax rate,is that the politics of envy? You buy a big expensive house so pay more stamp duty is that too? You're rich you choose to to buy your kids a better start in life a massive advantage pay up private schools are not charities there are many others that aren’t either. There’s nothing wrong with being rich if you earned it legally and pay your dues,if you’re not and want to send you’re kids private you’ll have to take the hit same as any purchase,if I had my way I’d reinstate the old grammar school,technical and secondary system updated to reflect the modern era. |
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