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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 17:50:54 GMT
No it shouldn’t be vat free,they’re not a charity. It’s not just them charity is an industry in this country and needs an overhaul,charities shouldn’t have CEO’s on mega salaries and still cadging when they have massive assets,like the CofE and the diocese which are exempt from so many taxes and always pleading poverty yet have assets of £22 billion. Anyway buying your kids a better education is a purchase like any other so pay the vat. So you would impose VAT on private healthcare? Are private hospitals regd as charities? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 21:06:08 GMT
So you would impose VAT on private healthcare? Are private hospitals regd as charities? No - but healthcare, like education is seen as a sphere where we dont charge VAT as a public good. After all buying your kids better healthcare is a purchase like any other... |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 21:17:12 GMT
Are private hospitals regd as charities? No - but healthcare, like education is seen as a sphere where we dont charge VAT as a public good. After all buying your kids better healthcare is a purchase like any other... What public good? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 11, 2023 21:20:56 GMT
Education and Healthcare are a public good - they both benefit the wider community.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 21:36:24 GMT
Education and Healthcare are a public good - they both benefit the wider community. Oh yeah course they do,whilst the plebs wait in an nhs queue Gerald fortescue Smythe breezes by to a private bed rapid treatment and let’s not forget Hugh Fortescue Smythe jr is slowly making his way through Eton and then the Bullingdon club where however inept you are and how many pigs have gratefully but happily being deceased ritually accepted your member he is assured of high office. The plebs less well educated and perhaps suffering in silence content themselves that they’re status and position compared is for the wider good. Pacifico public good? that’s not true the omission of private in your post was that accidental |
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 12, 2023 1:09:37 GMT
It is a populist policy aimed at the brain dead.
No charity status = no scholarships.
The schools will simply remove all free places, thus allowing them to charge less for each fee-paying pupil, and Starmer's "extra billions in tax" will be wiped out by tens of thousands of pupils flooding back into state education.
What a cracking idea, denying the brightest working class pupils a place in private / grammar schools in the name of equality lol.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 12, 2023 5:01:18 GMT
It is a populist policy aimed at the brain dead. No charity status = no scholarships. The schools will simply remove all free places, thus allowing them to charge less for each fee-paying pupil, and Starmer's "extra billions in tax" will be wiped out by tens of thousands of pupils flooding back into state education. What a cracking idea, denying the brightest working class pupils a place in private / grammar schools in the name of equality lol. It would help if you knew more factually.and remembered this is the mind zone so no I don’t support Starmer and my brains fine thanks And this And this |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 12, 2023 6:28:32 GMT
Education and Healthcare are a public good - they both benefit the wider community. Oh yeah course they do,whilst the plebs wait in an nhs queue Gerald fortescue Smythe breezes by to a private bed rapid treatment and let’s not forget Hugh Fortescue Smythe jr is slowly making his way through Eton and then the Bullingdon club where however inept you are and how many pigs have gratefully but happily being deceased ritually accepted your member he is assured of high office. The plebs less well educated and perhaps suffering in silence content themselves that they’re status and position compared is for the wider good. Pacifico public good? that’s not true the omission of private in your post was that accidental Ah - the politics of envy...  Private education and health services benefit the wider community in a myriad of ways - nobody benefits by attacks on the provision of health and education. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 12, 2023 6:46:14 GMT
Oh yeah course they do,whilst the plebs wait in an nhs queue Gerald fortescue Smythe breezes by to a private bed rapid treatment and let’s not forget Hugh Fortescue Smythe jr is slowly making his way through Eton and then the Bullingdon club where however inept you are and how many pigs have gratefully but happily being deceased ritually accepted your member he is assured of high office. The plebs less well educated and perhaps suffering in silence content themselves that they’re status and position compared is for the wider good. Pacifico public good? that’s not true the omission of private in your post was that accidental Ah - the politics of envy... Private education and health services benefit the wider community in a myriad of ways - nobody benefits by attacks on the provision of health and education. And because you are unable to answer in specifics airily cite myriad ways then you resort to tired and totally unsupported accusations of envy because you have no real counter argument. Its not about envy it’s about fair opportunity for all,why are we not only giving tax breaks but state money too for what is a business and not a charity. And btw my brother got a scholarship to a private grammar and my parents had to sell furniture and we all (other brothers) had less often to buy equipment that was never used,like lacrosse stick,he never played. Stick to the facts,people are buying a better education and people can spend what they like legally but don’t expect the rest to subsidise it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 12, 2023 7:11:23 GMT
Ah - the politics of envy... Private education and health services benefit the wider community in a myriad of ways - nobody benefits by attacks on the provision of health and education. And because you are unable to answer in specifics airily cite myriad ways then you resort to tired and totally unsupported accusations of envy because you have no real counter argument. Its not about envy it’s about fair opportunity for all,why are we not only giving tax breaks but state money too for what is a business and not a charity. It's got nothing to do with fair opportunity for all. If you were going down that route then you would be demanding VAT on private healthcare because that is a far larger sector of the economy than private education. It's pure envy... |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 12, 2023 7:26:23 GMT
And because you are unable to answer in specifics airily cite myriad ways then you resort to tired and totally unsupported accusations of envy because you have no real counter argument. Its not about envy it’s about fair opportunity for all,why are we not only giving tax breaks but state money too for what is a business and not a charity. It's got nothing to do with fair opportunity for all. If you were going down that route then you would be demanding VAT on private healthcare because that is a far larger sector of the economy than private education. It's pure envy... There we go again unsubstantiated insults,I repeat for any unable to understand private health insurance and hospitals are not charities. As it happens another brother went to a state grammar and was more successful,I preferred the old system not comprehensive. And it’s all to do with fairness and opportunity,you buy with private education a massive start and virtually ensured place especially in the schools like eton,harrow etc a guaranteed place in the upper echelons. And I repeat again spend your money on what you like but don’t expect a tax break,it’s a ludicrous argument like saying an elderly rich person shouldn’t pay vat on a Rolls Royce because he’s benefiting the wider community by not using a bus pass. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 12, 2023 7:31:07 GMT
There is also a revenue argument for not taxing private services the government would otherwise be obliged to provide.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 12, 2023 7:58:56 GMT
There is also a revenue argument for not taxing private services the government would otherwise be obliged to provide. I disagree,if for instance because of your wealth you choose your own barrister to represent you are as I said in the other instances buying an advantage not available to others. Fine your choice (but only if you have the wherewithal) but don’t expect a subsidy on that advantage and choice. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 12, 2023 8:03:25 GMT
There is also a revenue argument for not taxing private services the government would otherwise be obliged to provide. I disagree,if for instance because of your wealth you choose your own barrister to represent you are as I said in the other instances buying an advantage not available to others. Fine your choice (but only if you have the wherewithal) but don’t expect a subsidy on that advantage and choice. I wouldn't be against a tax discount on legal services that would otherwise need to be provided by government. The point of the tax system is to provide revenues for government services, not to hammer people |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 12, 2023 8:09:57 GMT
I disagree,if for instance because of your wealth you choose your own barrister to represent you are as I said in the other instances buying an advantage not available to others. Fine your choice (but only if you have the wherewithal) but don’t expect a subsidy on that advantage and choice. I wouldn't be against a tax discount on legal services that would otherwise need to be provided by government. The point of the tax system is to provide revenues for government services, not to hammer people And the point of legal system is a fair hearing for all,it’s not hammering people are those who are obliged to pay those taxes and fees in the wider world often the least able to pay and really hammered |
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