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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 6:31:40 GMT
Separated from the wife and kids, made to do pointless tasks 10 hours a day. Wonder why that didn't work out. Depends what you mean by "Work out". It saved many from death, so it probably worked out quite well for them.
A modern version could provide shelter, food, medical and mental health care, education and supervision.
Far better than kicking the disadvantaged out onto the streets with a few quid in their pockets.
If you are describing something different to the 'work houses' don't call it 'work houses' They didn't work because they drove more people into crime than they helped back to stability. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 6:32:06 GMT
Maybe you should fit some more heat pumps on a housing project that doesn't have any. .Toodle pip. If only you meant that. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2023 7:53:53 GMT
Depends what you mean by "Work out". It saved many from death, so it probably worked out quite well for them.
A modern version could provide shelter, food, medical and mental health care, education and supervision.
Far better than kicking the disadvantaged out onto the streets with a few quid in their pockets.
If you are describing something different to the 'work houses' don't call it 'work houses' They didn't work because they drove more people into crime than they helped back to stability. Because, if he were to outline what he meant, it would be called a workhouse by detractors. He is saving time and energy by not bothering with that argument. Bear in mind, the socialist dream set up is basically a nationwide workhouse (ie you can't leave) |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 8:34:33 GMT
Depends what you mean by "Work out". It saved many from death, so it probably worked out quite well for them.
A modern version could provide shelter, food, medical and mental health care, education and supervision.
Far better than kicking the disadvantaged out onto the streets with a few quid in their pockets.
If you are describing something different to the 'work houses' don't call it 'work houses' They didn't work because they drove more people into crime than they helped back to stability. A modern workhouse with health and safety, decent working conditions and a proper wage, as well as comfortable living quarters WOULD WORK. Able bodied homeless people would be given a sense of purpose, food, lodgings AND MONEY to buy things with, or save up. They would be able to study, to better themselves, to get back on their feet. Strange to see lefties against this kind of idea. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 11, 2023 9:03:06 GMT
No but getting someone else to do it and paying them would involve paying their tax if you prefer to think of it that way. Also you have to pay for their petrol and whatnot, vs with me I don't have to travel more than few paces to work. Besides, the last people to do it were complete cowboys. I'm patching up their mistakes. Were they imported by any chance? No. We are 98% English here. These are the cowboy West Country locals. The last chap to own this house was elderly and in a wheelchair. He had a load of work done like double glazing and tiling the bathroom and so on. They really fucked him over though, poor guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 13:02:30 GMT
I'd have workhouses instead of benefits, for much the same reasons. Well that would kill off a few lefties mate....A days work would kill some of the left who just live off the backs of those fucking stupid enough to work and pay their taxes. You do realise that many a pensioner such as yourself ended up in the workhouse in the days before taxpayers looked after your every need? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 13:07:22 GMT
I'd like to see you as the first to try them out according to your prior specification before knowing you were to be first. Why? I've worked for my entire adult life, mostly as a higher rate taxpayer, never claimed benefits and never a day out of work.
How about you?
Well thats because you were in a secure taxpayer funded civil service job, your wages paid by the rest of us for pushing a pen around paper in some office and imagining yourself to be a hard worker. No chance of your employer going bust and you suddenly being laid off at short notice. You have been one of the feather bedded ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 13:11:22 GMT
The world as viewed from inside the Daily Mail bubble. Some of us get out and can see it for ourselves. Unlike some who have to be guided in life by a Bible written by the dumb. Thats a bit rich from someone who believes every piece of crap he reads in the Mail. You need to discover a little self awareness methinks. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 13:16:03 GMT
Well that would kill off a few lefties mate....A days work would kill some of the left who just live off the backs of those fucking stupid enough to work and pay their taxes. You do realise that many a pensioner such as yourself ended up in the workhouse in the days before taxpayers looked after your every need? Which is preferable as an answer to homelessness? A modern workhouse, with modern work, modern pay, modern accommodation, modern living standards and skills training, or a shop doorway a sleeping bag and the risk of death? Funny how lefties balk at ideas that would save the homeless from death. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 13:16:55 GMT
If you are describing something different to the 'work houses' don't call it 'work houses' They didn't work because they drove more people into crime than they helped back to stability. Because, if he were to outline what he meant, it would be called a workhouse by detractors. He is saving time and energy by not bothering with that argument. Bear in mind, the socialist dream set up is basically a nationwide workhouse (ie you can't leave) That is risible nonsense of course. No one on the left wants to stop anyone from leaving - you are welcome to do so if you choose and if you do you will go with my blessing. Trust me on that one. And you appear to be equating the desire for full employment, in jobs that pay, with the workhouse, suggesting that you havent a clue what a workhouse actually is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 13:21:44 GMT
You do realise that many a pensioner such as yourself ended up in the workhouse in the days before taxpayers looked after your every need? Which is preferable as an answer to homelessness? A modern workhouse, with modern work, modern pay, modern accommodation, modern living standards and skills training, or a shop doorway a sleeping bag and the risk of death? Funny how lefties balk at ideas that would save the homeless from death. What you are describing is not a workhouse as the term is understood. It is a hostel which would in addition provide all those things which would clearly be better than being homeless, but it would cost a lot of money for that very reason. I would tend to suggest that building sufficient social housing might be the cheaper option in the long run. There are also the laws of unintended consequences. For example, what work would be done in those hostels, and whose jobs would they be replacing at taxpayer expense? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 11, 2023 13:27:07 GMT
Which is preferable as an answer to homelessness? A modern workhouse, with modern work, modern pay, modern accommodation, modern living standards and skills training, or a shop doorway a sleeping bag and the risk of death? Funny how lefties balk at ideas that would save the homeless from death. What you are describing is not a workhouse as the term is understood. It is a hostel which would in addition provide all those things which would clearly be better than being homeless, but it would cost a lot of money for that very reason. I would tend to suggest that building sufficient social housing might be the cheaper option in the long run. There are also the laws of unintended consequences. For example, what work would be done in those hostels, and whose jobs would they be replacing at taxpayer expense? Completely agree. Vinny has completely confused the issue with the word Workhouse. What he is suggesting bears no resemblance to one. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2023 13:27:35 GMT
Because, if he were to outline what he meant, it would be called a workhouse by detractors. He is saving time and energy by not bothering with that argument. Bear in mind, the socialist dream set up is basically a nationwide workhouse (ie you can't leave) That is risible nonsense of course. No one on the left wants to stop anyone from leaving The Soviet Union wants a quiet word with you about that statement. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 11, 2023 13:30:33 GMT
That is risible nonsense of course. No one on the left wants to stop anyone from leaving The Soviet Union wants a quiet word with you about that statement. Early capitalism was every bit as bad as early communism. But that's a subject for another thread. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 11, 2023 13:32:12 GMT
The Soviet Union wants a quiet word with you about that statement. Early capitalism was every bit as bad as early communism. But that's a subject for another thread. Good thing early Communism always implodes before it gets even worse then . |
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