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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 11:18:21 GMT
I think the prospect is so distant it doesn't itself demand any focus at all. Either our exit from the solar system is (more or less) impossible, or following our nose will lead us out in a time frame of billions of years. If it gets to the '1 million years left' mark, we can start rubbing our beards and drinking coffee over the matter. Of course, there will be no such ting as humans then, so all of this talk of late nights with coffee is entirely fantasy. I suspect the voyager missions and all those handy diagrams were a mistake born of an age of optimism. The optimism here is gargantuan, cosmic in scale. The assumption that there will be no such thing as humans is highly likely to be correct. To assume otherwise requires two massive assumptions, firstly that our species will not via some self-inflicted or natural disaster become extinct, and secondly that if we avoid that we will cease evolving as a species. So even if our species does not become extinct, over such vast timescales we would be highly likely to evolve into something very different. As far as the inevitable demise of our planet as a habitable world in the distant future, it is indeed so far into the future that it is utterly beyond our ability to give a shit. Because either we or some other species will evolve technologically into a species that will be able to deal with it. Or we won't. Either way, there is nothing much we can do about it now beyond trying to ensure our own survival as a species, so that our distant descendants have a chance of evolving into something that can outlive our world. And that is all we can do. In contemplating our futures we tend to be constrained by the limitations of our own lifetimes and of those we love. Anything that happens after our death makes zero difference to any of us personally. But most of us do have much younger loved ones whom we hope will have many more decades left after we have gone. This does mean that because we care about them, we do concern ourselves with the immediate decades after our own deaths and wanting them to be good ones for our loved ones. But anything much beyond the expected life spans of our loved ones does not tend to concern us much emotionally. We can contemplate it logically and rationally - we can think about a future many centuries from now - but we have very little personal emotional investment in it. We tend to leave worries about that to future generations, not our problem. And that is just a few centuries into the future. None of us are going to lose any sleep worrying about the situation in millions of years time.
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Post by Orac on Dec 4, 2023 8:28:17 GMT
See2,
This is a mind zone thread. Opinions are fine and , if you reply to them, you have to tackle those opinions rather than post something curt and dismissive. The more people do this, the more incorrect opinions thee will be in the thread and the more fun we all have correcting them.
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Post by see2 on Dec 4, 2023 9:51:01 GMT
See2, This is a mind zone thread. Opinions are fine and , if you reply to them, you have to tackle those opinions rather than post something curt and dismissive. The more people do this, the more incorrect opinions thee will be in the thread and the more fun we all have correcting them. Honesty, using the same language of the poster posted to, must surely be part of the 'Mind Zone'.
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Post by see2 on Dec 4, 2023 10:01:40 GMT
I am in disagreement with the statement that 'It must be a woman who is first on Mars'. But I would suggest that it will be more than likely, be a woman who will be the first Human on Mars.
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Post by Orac on Dec 4, 2023 10:22:54 GMT
I am in disagreement with the statement that 'It must be a woman who is first on Mars'. But I would suggest that it will be more than likely, be a woman who will be the first Human on Mars. I think the prospect of Mars colonisation has been 'biged up' by fantasists. There is no real prospect of such a journey being successful. I think our next steps are Robotic exploration of the solar system (underway) Robotic industrialisation of the moon (we can start making inroads on this)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 11:33:30 GMT
I am in disagreement with the statement that 'It must be a woman who is first on Mars'. But I would suggest that it will be more than likely, be a woman who will be the first Human on Mars. I think the prospect of Mars colonisation has been 'biged up' by fantasists. There is no real prospect of such a journey being successful. I think our next steps are Robotic exploration of the solar system (underway) Robotic industrialisation of the moon (we can start making inroads on this) If money is to be made then people will say anything to draw attention, and with space exploration being more privatised it will have to be advertised with a load of waffle to make money. I don't even think it's about success or failure. It's about the process or making money (a new market) that some bored multi-billionaires want, where the sexist controversy focus' the attention where it's wanted.
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Post by see2 on Dec 4, 2023 12:21:55 GMT
I am in disagreement with the statement that 'It must be a woman who is first on Mars'. But I would suggest that it will be more than likely, be a woman who will be the first Human on Mars. I think the prospect of Mars colonisation has been 'biged up' by fantasists. There is no real prospect of such a journey being successful. I think our next steps are Robotic exploration of the solar system (underway) Robotic industrialisation of the moon (we can start making inroads on this) While all the time gaining knowledge, experience and improving our space capabilities. Yes a long time off, but if Mars is ever needed the capabilities and the method will be needed to be proven long before it becomes a necessity.
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Post by Veronika on Apr 19, 2024 16:49:22 GMT
Dear Forumers,
I feel ready to go to Mars actually. I broke up with my girlfriend, not that I was seeing so much of her anyway. I live on my own now, in a small and quite rubbish flat. I don't have much social life right now. I will be 30 in October. I feel like my photo flatters me, I'm sure I don't look too great at this moment. I would not ever want to have children. So perhaps Mars would be a good option.
Veronika Oleksychenko
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 16:57:33 GMT
Dear Forumers, I feel ready to go to Mars actually. I broke up with my girlfriend, not that I was seeing so much of her anyway. I live on my own now, in a small and quite rubbish flat. I don't have much social life right now. I will be 30 in October. I feel like my photo flatters me, I'm sure I don't look too great at this moment. I would not ever want to have children. So perhaps Mars would be a good option. Veronika Oleksychenko Good cos Mars ain’t the kind of place you raise your kids . In fact it’s cold as hell……apparently.
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Post by Veronika on Apr 20, 2024 16:29:41 GMT
Dear Bentley,
You say that Mars "ain’t the kind of place you raise your kids. In fact it’s cold as hell".
But as I say, I don't want a baby anyway. And actually the temperature on Mars can be upto 70 degrees Fahrenheit, or 20 degrees Celsius, near the equator during the day. Which is not so bad.
Veronika Oleksychenko
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Post by Orac on Apr 20, 2024 16:52:41 GMT
Dear Bentley, You say that Mars "ain’t the kind of place you raise your kids. In fact it’s cold as hell". But as I say, I don't want a baby anyway. And actually the temperature on Mars can be upto 70 degrees Fahrenheit, or 20 degrees Celsius, near the equator during the day. Up to - The average is minus 53 Celsius and a low would be minus 120. This is the equator during the day. It doesn't get that cold anywhere on Earth during the night. Mars is colder than hell imho
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Post by Bentley on Apr 20, 2024 17:29:32 GMT
Dear Bentley, You say that Mars "ain’t the kind of place you raise your kids. In fact it’s cold as hell". But as I say, I don't want a baby anyway. And actually the temperature on Mars can be upto 70 degrees Fahrenheit, or 20 degrees Celsius, near the equator during the day. Which is not so bad. Veronika Oleksychenko Tell that to Elton John.
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Post by Veronika on Apr 21, 2024 13:13:11 GMT
Dear Bentley,
Maybe I won't go to Mars just yet, as I met a cute girl last night. But you say to tell Elton John that Mars isn't as cold as hell everywhere on the planet. Your suggestion must presumably be because Elton John perhaps wants to go to Mars, like Elon Musk.
Veronika Oleksychenko
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 21, 2024 13:59:05 GMT
It must be a wonan and a duster to make sure the place is clean and tidy for the arrival of the men. I hear there is a serious amount of dust up there.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 21, 2024 21:32:53 GMT
Dear Bentley, Maybe I won't go to Mars just yet, as I met a cute girl last night. But you say to tell Elton John that Mars isn't as cold as hell everywhere on the planet. Your suggestion must presumably be because Elton John perhaps wants to go to Mars, like Elon Musk. Veronika Oleksychenko Elton John aint the man they think he is at home . He’s a rocket man .
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