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Post by Pacifico on Jul 3, 2023 21:38:40 GMT
Perhaps the reason that it has never been offered is that nobody has asked? There are some in the Orkneys who are obviously unhappy about being part of Scotland - if they feel they want a status change then should they demand the same as Jersey, Guernsey etc then I certainly dont see why it would be turned down. They have been asked. In 1987 the SNP stood aside for a Shetland Autonomy Movement candidate. He received 14.5% share of the vote. There were rumblings then and it is still happening. But, it is an anti Westminster, as much as anti Holyrood, view that everything is being centralised. We'll have to wait and see how much support the councillor behind this ploy receives from his fellow councillors. Why would someone from the Orkneys vote for a Shetland candidate? |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 4, 2023 0:15:52 GMT
They have been asked. In 1987 the SNP stood aside for a Shetland Autonomy Movement candidate. He received 14.5% share of the vote. There were rumblings then and it is still happening. But, it is an anti Westminster, as much as anti Holyrood, view that everything is being centralised. We'll have to wait and see how much support the councillor behind this ploy receives from his fellow councillors. Why would someone from the Orkneys vote for a Shetland candidate? Why wouldn't they? It was actually an Orkney & Shetland Movement candidate |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 4, 2023 0:23:25 GMT
Scotland will never be "independent", Scotland doesn't want it. Best to scrap Holyrood and save billions. As for the Orkneys and the Shetlands, they can become British Crown dependencies with the same status as Jersey. www.gov.je/Health/Travelling/pages/visitingjersey.aspxThey are geographically distinct and so remote that self governance is logical. England Scotland and Wales are conjoined. It doesn't make sense to have separation. Hold a referendum with leading questions showing voters the true cost economically and the lack of worth socially and politically: Then, when the inevitable vote to scrap is given abolish Holyrood and the Senedd. Tinkering with a country is par for the course with the Brits. The examples of India & Ireland show what can happen. Btw are you in favour of a united Ireland? Where's the evidence that doing away with Holyrood is a popular option. There is evidence, however, to show that there is little support for your suggestion |
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Post by thomas on Jul 4, 2023 5:31:31 GMT
That option has never been on offer from Westminster. This whole story is a put up job to try and sow the seeds of division. Perhaps the reason that it has never been offered is that nobody has asked? There are some in the Orkneys who are obviously unhappy about being part of Scotland - if they feel they want a status change then should they demand the same as Jersey, Guernsey etc then I certainly dont see why it would be turned down. According to your parliament , naebody is allowed to leave pacifico. We are all inmates of HMP UK.
Orkney: Downing Street rejects suggestion to loosen ties with UK
…But Number 10 has shut down the options, with the Prime Minister’s official spokesman telling reporters: “First and foremost, there is no mechanism for the conferral of crown dependency or overseas territory status on any part of the UK.
“But fundamentally, we are stronger as one United Kingdom, we have no plans to change that.”
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Post by thomas on Jul 4, 2023 5:40:00 GMT
England Scotland and Wales are conjoined. It doesn't make sense to have separation. This argument is one of the most stupidist things you have come out with vinny. How do you think countries that are conjoined on continental landmasses came to be distinct?
Scotland and england for example are distinct in part because of the geography of the rivers hills and mountains that seperate them.
The scotland england border is similar to many borders across europe and other continents that have given birth to nations over the centuries. Even the romans saw the gask ridge in the vicinity as a prime place to build a dividing wall.
Not only shite at politics , economics , you are now displaying your ignorance over geography. I tell you vinny , you are a one man walking advert for banning those with low IQ from having the popular vote.
so why did you british partition the conjoined island and nation of ireland in 1921 ?
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2023 6:28:06 GMT
Scotland will never be "independent", Scotland doesn't want it. Best to scrap Holyrood and save billions. As for the Orkneys and the Shetlands, they can become British Crown dependencies with the same status as Jersey. www.gov.je/Health/Travelling/pages/visitingjersey.aspxThey are geographically distinct and so remote that self governance is logical. England Scotland and Wales are conjoined. It doesn't make sense to have separation. Hold a referendum with leading questions showing voters the true cost economically and the lack of worth socially and politically: Then, when the inevitable vote to scrap is given abolish Holyrood and the Senedd. Tinkering with a country is par for the course with the Brits. The examples of India & Ireland show what can happen. Btw are you in favour of a united Ireland? Where's the evidence that doing away with Holyrood is a popular option. There is evidence, however, to show that there is little support for your suggestion The question of Northern Ireland is for the Northern Irish. Hold another referendum. Give them the democratic right to unite with the south or full union with Britain. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2023 6:34:01 GMT
And as for Holyrood, undermine the racist body with a referendum showing how it is funded by England, show just what absurdities come from it, like the perverts charter, and hold a referendum on its abolition with greater powers for all councils.
Make the referendum UK wide and abolish the current devolution by popular vote.
Replace the racist insanity of the 90s with 21st century regional government by giving every council area greater fiscal autonomy.
Oh, and turn Bute house into a pub.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 4, 2023 6:57:46 GMT
Perhaps the reason that it has never been offered is that nobody has asked? There are some in the Orkneys who are obviously unhappy about being part of Scotland - if they feel they want a status change then should they demand the same as Jersey, Guernsey etc then I certainly dont see why it would be turned down. According to your parliament , naebody is allowed to leave pacifico. We are all inmates of HMP UK.
Orkney: Downing Street rejects suggestion to loosen ties with UK
…But Number 10 has shut down the options, with the Prime Minister’s official spokesman telling reporters: “First and foremost, there is no mechanism for the conferral of crown dependency or overseas territory status on any part of the UK.
“But fundamentally, we are stronger as one United Kingdom, we have no plans to change that.”
But you keep telling me that Scotland is a sovereign nation - if so then it doesn't need anyones permission to do anything. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 5, 2023 3:48:38 GMT
Jumping ship and fragmentation is what you get from a weak, incompetent, corrupt UK Westminster/Whitehall run by war-mongers and poodles to U.S and EU interference.
… whose surprised ??
We need to march on London and GCHQ …. and the Universities …. and start putting sensible indigenous people back into power … pretty pronto …. these Foreigners are fragmenting the hell out of our Country … like they did to France.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2023 11:21:50 GMT
Go live in Putin's Russia if you hate the west that much.
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Post by thomas on Jul 7, 2023 6:16:57 GMT
Tinkering with a country is par for the course with the Brits. The examples of India & Ireland show what can happen. Btw are you in favour of a united Ireland? Where's the evidence that doing away with Holyrood is a popular option. There is evidence, however, to show that there is little support for your suggestion The question of Northern Ireland is for the Northern Irish. Hold another referendum. Give them the democratic right to unite with the south or full union with Britain. so the question of northern irish independence is for the northern irish you say , but scotland is not allowed to discuss independence from your yookay? Selective democracy from vinny as ever. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 7, 2023 6:20:14 GMT
And as for Holyrood, undermine the racist body with a referendum showing how it is funded by England, show just what absurdities come from it, like the perverts charter, and hold a referendum on its abolition with greater powers for all councils. Make the referendum UK wide and abolish the current devolution by popular vote. We did vinny. Not sure if you were born, but in the late nineties , the uk gave its constituent nations referendums on devolution , and it was voted on and a resounding yes.
Now democracy as i say is a neverendum , so feel free to support parties campaigning to overturn devolution. At present , a tiny minority support ending devolution.
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Post by thomas on Jul 7, 2023 6:27:30 GMT
According to your parliament , naebody is allowed to leave pacifico. We are all inmates of HMP UK.
Orkney: Downing Street rejects suggestion to loosen ties with UK
…But Number 10 has shut down the options, with the Prime Minister’s official spokesman telling reporters: “First and foremost, there is no mechanism for the conferral of crown dependency or overseas territory status on any part of the UK.
“But fundamentally, we are stronger as one United Kingdom, we have no plans to change that.”
But you keep telling me that Scotland is a sovereign nation - if so then it doesn't need anyones permission to do anything. Scotland is not a sovereign nation. I have never said that , and once again pacifico , you are making things up.
The scottish people under scottish constitutional law are sovereign , and in your nation , your parliament is sovereign. So there is a subtle difference. The scottish people have the power to decide to leave , but your parliament keeps trying to block off the routes to independence.
The point though as you well know in the earlier post is you keep implying the uk is some sort of a democracy ( no laughing please) and that any part or nation is free to leave , but no one wants to.
Here yet again , we have definite proof your claims are incorrect , when the uk government itself is implying in the above quote orkney , like scotland , is not allowed to leave the uk prison.
Poor pacifico. You will never make a spin doctor mate with the uk government undermining your claims at every turn .
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Post by thomas on Jul 7, 2023 6:29:08 GMT
Go live in Putin's Russia if you hate the west that much. do you ever listen to yourself vinny? So you are going to deport anyone who dares question the uk regime while at the same time claiming russia is a dictatorship lacking in freedom of speech?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 6:50:56 GMT
But you keep telling me that Scotland is a sovereign nation - if so then it doesn't need anyones permission to do anything. Scotland is not a sovereign nation. I have never said that , and once again pacifico , you are making things up.
The scottish people under scottish constitutional law are sovereign , and in your nation , your parliament is sovereign. So there is a subtle difference. The scottish people have the power to decide to leave , but your parliament keeps trying to block off the routes to independence.
The people are the nation - so if you need to ask someone elses permission to do something you are most certainly not sovereign..  |
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