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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2023 9:08:09 GMT
The odds of the Orkneys and Shetlands leaving Scotland are far higher than Scotland leaving the UK.
The Orkneys and Shetlands are not geographically part of Scotland anyway.
They're islands.
It would make more sense for them to be self governing Crown Dependencies like the Isle of Man.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 3, 2023 12:48:52 GMT
The odds of the Orkneys and Shetlands leaving Scotland are far higher than Scotland leaving the UK. The Orkneys and Shetlands are not geographically part of Scotland anyway. They're islands. It would make more sense for them to be self governing Crown Dependencies like the Isle of Man. When has Westminster ever offered the sort of status that you suggest. The only ones who are offering self government are the Nationalists As prof John Robertson points out, in the 2011 census, 62.4% of Orcadians identified as Scottish only. talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2023/07/03/another-orkney-saga-62-4-identify-as-scottish-only/ |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2023 13:04:10 GMT
Once again silly polls.
Opinion polls do not matter.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 3, 2023 13:08:28 GMT
Why would the islanders want to be a part of the UK? The UK has shown its contempt for Scotland, including the Northern & Western Isles, ever since we were forced to go into Union. As far as I am aware the islanders accuse both Governments of centralising power. They want more local devolution. The SNP policy is to give the islands similar status to the Faroese relations with Denmark. What is Westminster offering? SFA! Orkney & Shetland have been part of Scotland for centuries. The inhabitants follow the Scottish education system, legal system, justice system, Health Service etc. The Church of Scotland has most adherents, certainly many more than the anglified episcopalian. Why on earth would they want to change all that? Scotland has been part of the UK for centuries - yet still some want to schlep off, which is fine. If Orkney are so unhappy with the governance they get from Edinburgh and London why should they not be allowed to decide their own future? That option has never been on offer from Westminster. This whole story is a put up job to try and sow the seeds of division. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 3, 2023 13:16:40 GMT
Once again silly polls. Opinion polls do not matter. The only problem with that comment is that it was not an opinion poll (incidentally, by your every utterance on the topic you display a complete lack of understanding) The figure came from the 2011 census |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 3, 2023 13:35:15 GMT
Once again silly polls. Opinion polls do not matter. The only problem with that comment is that it was not an opinion poll (incidentally, by your every utterance on the topic you display a complete lack of understanding) The figure came from the 2011 census Afternoon fellow Brit. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2023 14:52:50 GMT
Once again silly polls. Opinion polls do not matter. The only problem with that comment is that it was not an opinion poll (incidentally, by your every utterance on the topic you display a complete lack of understanding) The figure came from the 2011 census Long before the crucial vote where my fellow Brits voted to keep Scotland and the islands in the United Kingdom with the Orkneys at 72.11% against you and the Shetlands at 73.02% against you. And so, my fellow Brit, you lost the argument. Get over it. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 3, 2023 16:06:42 GMT
The only problem with that comment is that it was not an opinion poll (incidentally, by your every utterance on the topic you display a complete lack of understanding) The figure came from the 2011 census Long before the crucial vote where my fellow Brits voted to keep Scotland and the islands in the United Kingdom with the Orkneys at 72.11% against you and the Shetlands at 73.02% against you. And so, my fellow Brit, you lost the argument. Get over it. Have you got a problem with figures? 67.2% in Orkney & 63.8% in Shetland. That doesn't mean the islanders want to leave Scotland, only that they wanted Scotland to remain in the UK. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 3, 2023 17:27:46 GMT
Scotland has been part of the UK for centuries - yet still some want to schlep off, which is fine. If Orkney are so unhappy with the governance they get from Edinburgh and London why should they not be allowed to decide their own future? That option has never been on offer from Westminster. This whole story is a put up job to try and sow the seeds of division. Perhaps the reason that it has never been offered is that nobody has asked? There are some in the Orkneys who are obviously unhappy about being part of Scotland - if they feel they want a status change then should they demand the same as Jersey, Guernsey etc then I certainly dont see why it would be turned down. |
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Post by Ripley on Jul 3, 2023 17:29:25 GMT
If Orkney want to fuck off and join Norway that is a choice for them. Are you thinking this through? Why is it a choice for them , but not a choice for the rest of scotland is they want to fuck off and leave your disunited kingdom?
My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by om15 on Jul 3, 2023 17:32:25 GMT
If the citizens of the Orkneys wish to be part of Norway they might think about how far away it is to go to have their appendix out, buy a car, go shopping and get cancer treatment, but they will have thought about that I dare say.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 3, 2023 19:30:01 GMT
That option has never been on offer from Westminster. This whole story is a put up job to try and sow the seeds of division. Perhaps the reason that it has never been offered is that nobody has asked? There are some in the Orkneys who are obviously unhappy about being part of Scotland - if they feel they want a status change then should they demand the same as Jersey, Guernsey etc then I certainly dont see why it would be turned down. They have been asked. In 1987 the SNP stood aside for a Shetland Autonomy Movement candidate. He received 14.5% share of the vote. There were rumblings then and it is still happening. But, it is an anti Westminster, as much as anti Holyrood, view that everything is being centralised. We'll have to wait and see how much support the councillor behind this ploy receives from his fellow councillors. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2023 19:32:50 GMT
The Orkneys and Shetlands are islands far away from the mainland, it makes sense for them to be autonomous Crown Dependency type places, and tax havens.
But the mainland, it makes sense to have one government for all of us. Get rid of the racist SNP. Ban the bastards.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 3, 2023 19:55:49 GMT
If the citizens of the Orkneys wish to be part of Norway they might think about how far away it is to go to have their appendix out, buy a car, go shopping and get cancer treatment, but they will have thought about that I dare say. If Orkney were to step out from Scotland on Independence, the Orcadians would be out with the Scottish NHS and would have to travel to England for treatment. At present Shetland Islanders go to ARI and Orcadians go to Raigmore (I think that is correct). However, Stavanger would be a closer option than Newcastle (I'm assuming Berwick would not be able to offer much) or maybe Carlisle. So a direct ferry, and/or airlinks to Norway would be beneficial. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2023 21:18:22 GMT
Scotland will never be "independent", Scotland doesn't want it. Best to scrap Holyrood and save billions. As for the Orkneys and the Shetlands, they can become British Crown dependencies with the same status as Jersey. www.gov.je/Health/Travelling/pages/visitingjersey.aspxThey are geographically distinct and so remote that self governance is logical. England Scotland and Wales are conjoined. It doesn't make sense to have separation. Hold a referendum with leading questions showing voters the true cost economically and the lack of worth socially and politically: Then, when the inevitable vote to scrap is given abolish Holyrood and the Senedd. |
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