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Post by piglet on Jul 2, 2023 11:21:34 GMT
foot. Didnt fit.
For me it started with Theresa May, thwarting brexit at every turn, brazenly, putting two fingers up to the electorate, the ordinary people. Then there is net zero, not voted on but enacted. Wokery is teaching our children that sexual deviancy is normal, in the schools. Wokery attacks all that question it, the government does nothing.
We are being invaded, the tories pretend to oppose it. The cost of living, higher here than anywhere else, taxes are sky high. And heres the kicker, theres every chance that the Tories will be re- elected, can you imagine that, more of the same but much much more?
Democracy wont be at risk, its already gone, look at the bank account thing, we will be licked into shape, a compliant herd of sheep.
What will be worse will be a Labour government. How far can the British people be pushed?, France for all its faults thinks nothing of taking to the streets, the british in comparison are less demonstrative, till it goes to far. Watch out parliament.
Watch out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 15:30:30 GMT
Brexit - is a complicated issue for many reasons
To be very definitive about the Referendum, the actual referendum was a "snapshot" of public opinion on one particular day ( 0700 to 2200 ) over a 15 hour period seven years ago.
That public opinion according to every poll and survey has now changed, and a vote today would result in REMAIN winning by a larger margin than by what LEAVE won seven years ago.
So what do we do ? ... Was that referendum the one and only ever referendum that cannot ever be revisited ?
We cannot keep Leaving and then reapplying, that would be bonkers.
We elected a Conservative government in December 2019, but when we all voted we knew that in another 5 years we would be voting again in another General Election.
Clearly the REMAIN campaigners are not going to go away, they are not going to give up, they already had majorities in Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and other places, and now they seem to have the country on their side.
Is it at all possible that there might be some kind of compromise that could finally put an end to what seems an ever-lasting battle. Could the LEAVE voters accept the UK been party to the European Economic Area same as Norway and Iceland. ? Would the REMAIN voters also asccept such a compromise. ?
Been members of the EEA would put an end to all our export and import issues, it would put an end to the problems in Northern Ireland, and it would aid and boost trade.
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Post by Toreador on Jul 2, 2023 15:44:47 GMT
Brexit - is a complicated issue for many reasons To be very definitive about the Referendum, the actual referendum was a "snapshot" of public opinion on one particular day ( 0700 to 2200 ) over a 15 hour period seven years ago. That public opinion according to every poll and survey has now changed, and a vote today would result in REMAIN winning by a larger margin than by what LEAVE won seven years ago. So what do we do ? ... Was that referendum the one and only ever referendum that cannot ever be revisited ? We cannot keep Leaving and then reapplying, that would be bonkers. We elected a Conservative government in December 2019, but when we all voted we knew that in another 5 years we would be voting again in another General Election. Clearly the REMAIN campaigners are not going to go away, they are not going to give up, they already had majorities in Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and other places, and now they seem to have the country on their side. Is it at all possible that there might be some kind of compromise that could finally put an end to what seems an ever-lasting battle. Could the LEAVE voters accept the UK been party to the European Economic Area same as Norway and Iceland. ? Would the REMAIN voters also asccept such a compromise. ? Been members of the EEA would put an end to all our export and import issues, it would put an end to the problems in Northern Ireland, and it would aid and boost trade. You and your fellow Remnants can try forever to moan about a result you would have supported had it been to remain. For seven years those Remnants have persisted in opposing leaving, yet all they have done is managed to prevent a clear passage to allow Britain to attune itself to leave....and you are still doing it.....shame on you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 16:04:51 GMT
Brexit - is a complicated issue for many reasons To be very definitive about the Referendum, the actual referendum was a "snapshot" of public opinion on one particular day ( 0700 to 2200 ) over a 15 hour period seven years ago. That public opinion according to every poll and survey has now changed, and a vote today would result in REMAIN winning by a larger margin than by what LEAVE won seven years ago. So what do we do ? ... Was that referendum the one and only ever referendum that cannot ever be revisited ? We cannot keep Leaving and then reapplying, that would be bonkers. We elected a Conservative government in December 2019, but when we all voted we knew that in another 5 years we would be voting again in another General Election. Clearly the REMAIN campaigners are not going to go away, they are not going to give up, they already had majorities in Scotland, Northern Ireland, London and other places, and now they seem to have the country on their side. Is it at all possible that there might be some kind of compromise that could finally put an end to what seems an ever-lasting battle. Could the LEAVE voters accept the UK been party to the European Economic Area same as Norway and Iceland. ? Would the REMAIN voters also asccept such a compromise. ? Been members of the EEA would put an end to all our export and import issues, it would put an end to the problems in Northern Ireland, and it would aid and boost trade. You and your fellow Remnants can try forever to moan about a result you would have supported had it been to remain. For seven years those Remnants have persisted in opposing leaving, yet all they have done is managed to prevent a clear passage to allow Britain to attune itself to leave....and you are still doing it.....shame on you. In my post, I have not suggested that we rejoin the European Union But I suppose I could now go on to state that by suggesting LEAVE was a bad idea, I would now be on the side of most Britons, and I would be. Could I also use the argument that democracy means "the will of the people" by means of "one person, one vote", and that it is actually YOU that is denying true democracy because the country has changed its mind. Was the 2019 General Election the once and only time we ever get to choose who runs the country ?, no matter if the people now want a different government. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 2, 2023 16:05:03 GMT
Yet another Brexiteer blaming Brexit on... Remainers.
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Post by Toreador on Jul 2, 2023 16:11:58 GMT
Yet another Brexiteer blaming Brexit on... Remainers. Or maybe blaming Remnants for obstructing the course of leaving, right back to Gina Miller. followed by a whole series of similar actions by idiots like Blair, May and many others. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 16:12:07 GMT
You and your fellow Remnants can try forever to moan about a result you would have supported had it been to remain. For seven years those Remnants have persisted in opposing leaving, yet all they have done is managed to prevent a clear passage to allow Britain to attune itself to leave....and you are still doing it.....shame on you. In my post, I have not suggested that we rejoin the European Union But I suppose I could now go on to state that by suggesting LEAVE was a bad idea, I would now be on the side of most Britons, and I would be. Could I also use the argument that democracy means "the will of the people" by means of "one person, one vote", and that it is actually YOU that is denying true democracy because the country has changed its mind. Was the 2019 General Election the once and only time we ever get to choose who runs the country ?, no matter if the people now want a different government. The idea you and your party are on the side of democracy is laughable sid.
Labour were mocked for being against a referendum in 2015 , when even the liberal took the piss out of milliband the then leader.
labour were mocked for all the tall stories they told on the run up to the referendum , and were of course instrumental i blieve in the leave vote winning.
Labour then stood on a get brexit done ticket in 2017 despite spending the previous year and subsequent years doing all they could to stop the result being implemented.
Starmer was a key anti democrat during those years ,which finally resulted in labours trouncing in the GE2019 , when starmers disasterous brexit policy was laughed at by all and sundry.
Labour are no friends to democracy as the uk public know
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Post by Toreador on Jul 2, 2023 16:15:17 GMT
You and your fellow Remnants can try forever to moan about a result you would have supported had it been to remain. For seven years those Remnants have persisted in opposing leaving, yet all they have done is managed to prevent a clear passage to allow Britain to attune itself to leave....and you are still doing it.....shame on you. In my post, I have not suggested that we rejoin the European Union But I suppose I could now go on to state that by suggesting LEAVE was a bad idea, I would now be on the side of most Britons, and I would be. Could I also use the argument that democracy means "the will of the people" by means of "one person, one vote", and that it is actually YOU that is denying true democracy because the country has changed its mind. Was the 2019 General Election the once and only time we ever get to choose who runs the country ?, no matter if the people now want a different government. I know what democracy means and for practical referendum purposes it means voting on an issue and accepting the result, not ever stoking the embers of discontent. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 2, 2023 16:16:59 GMT
Yet another Brexiteer blaming Brexit on... Remainers. Or maybe blaming Remnants for obstructing the course of leaving, right back to Gina Miller. followed by a whole series of similar actions by idiots like Blair, May and many others. So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. |
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Post by Toreador on Jul 2, 2023 16:19:22 GMT
Or maybe blaming Remnants for obstructing the course of leaving, right back to Gina Miller. followed by a whole series of similar actions by idiots like Blair, May and many others. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. Only in your tiny mind. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 17:11:25 GMT
Or maybe blaming Remnants for obstructing the course of leaving, right back to Gina Miller. followed by a whole series of similar actions by idiots like Blair, May and many others. So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. Brexit did not fail - we have left. Now you may dislike the current deal with the EU but that is down to Parliament - it was the only deal they would vote for - and they were a majority of remain supporters.. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 2, 2023 17:25:05 GMT
Or maybe blaming Remnants for obstructing the course of leaving, right back to Gina Miller. followed by a whole series of similar actions by idiots like Blair, May and many others. So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. No any problems connected to brexit are down a large section of MP’s unelected lords and the civil service who have forgotten they’re here to serve (clues in the name) who have done their very best by fair means or foul (the majority being foul) to thwart brexit and continue so to do. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 2, 2023 17:25:05 GMT
So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. Brexit did not fail - we have left. Now you may dislike the current deal with the EU but that is down to Parliament - it was the only deal they would vote for - and they were a majority of remain supporters.. The Brexit deal is reviewed every 5 years. The next government and the EU will be renegotiating/rewriting provisions they don't like. More Brino? |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 2, 2023 17:29:33 GMT
Yet another Brexiteer blaming Brexit on... Remainers. It aint going your ways these days is it hash? You have been proven wrong over and over and still you persist in reguritating the same old bullshit. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 2, 2023 17:31:36 GMT
Or maybe blaming Remnants for obstructing the course of leaving, right back to Gina Miller. followed by a whole series of similar actions by idiots like Blair, May and many others. So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. It didn't fail hash. But your beloved EUSSR are rapidly falling apart at the seams...Suck it up it's over and your side even with all their doom and gloom bullshit lost. |
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