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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 17:54:44 GMT
Brexit did not fail - we have left. Now you may dislike the current deal with the EU but that is down to Parliament - it was the only deal they would vote for - and they were a majority of remain supporters.. The Brexit deal is reviewed every 5 years. The next government and the EU will be renegotiating/rewriting provisions they don't like. More Brino? The next Government is at liberty to do anything it wants. However, given his record, if you are expecting Starmer to live up to his promises i suspect you are going to be mightily disappointed.. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 2, 2023 17:58:07 GMT
The Brexit deal is reviewed every 5 years. The next government and the EU will be renegotiating/rewriting provisions they don't like. More Brino? The next Government is at liberty to do anything it wants. However, given his record, if you are expecting Starmer to live up to his promises i suspect you are going to be mightily disappointed.. Maybe. David Lammy is talking about the 5 yearly review already. Can't remember what he said. It's on their mind, though. The agreement was negotiated and signed by the 'Get Brexit Done' government. They agreed to the review provision. So, any changes made by Starmer, however extreme, have a democratic mandate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 18:31:24 GMT
Keir Starmer has not broken any promises, because he has never been Prime Minister
What he has done is to alter, re-evaluate and ammend certain pledges, such as the "Green Deal" because of changing circumstances, particularly on borrowing.
The interest on UK bond yields is now double what it was a year ago, borrowing costs generally are much higher and rising, and no political party can keep pledges based on interest rates one or two years ago.
If inflation remains stubborn, and interest rates continue to rise, there is less room to manouvre for any government, not simply a potential Labour government.
The Green New Deal has not / will not be abandoned, it is to be ammended to fit in with the new economic and fiscal climate, plans for a new state owned Great British Energy Corporation are unaltered and the idea is popular with voters, especially former Tory voters.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 21:32:08 GMT
The next Government is at liberty to do anything it wants. However, given his record, if you are expecting Starmer to live up to his promises i suspect you are going to be mightily disappointed.. Maybe. David Lammy is talking about the 5 yearly review already. Can't remember what he said. It's on their mind, though. The agreement was negotiated and signed by the 'Get Brexit Done' government. They agreed to the review provision. So, any changes made by Starmer, however extreme, have a democratic mandate. David Lammy was talking about reparations for slavery the other day - somehow I get the feeling that your future is full of disappointment.. I could say that you deserve it for listening to the nonsense that David Lammy comes out with but I'm too polite.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 21:36:37 GMT
Keir Starmer has not broken any promises, because he has never been Prime Minister What he has done is to alter, re-evaluate and ammend certain pledges It's the way you tell them Sid..you should be on the stage..   |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 2, 2023 21:58:23 GMT
Maybe. David Lammy is talking about the 5 yearly review already. Can't remember what he said. It's on their mind, though. The agreement was negotiated and signed by the 'Get Brexit Done' government. They agreed to the review provision. So, any changes made by Starmer, however extreme, have a democratic mandate. David Lammy was talking about reparations for slavery the other day - somehow I get the feeling that your future is full of disappointment.. I could say that you deserve it for listening to the nonsense that David Lammy comes out with but I'm too polite. Well, the 5 yearly review will likely come up during Labour's tenure. It's not something they can simply ignore, particularly if the EU has new demands. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 3, 2023 6:41:24 GMT
So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. No any problems connected to brexit are down a large section of MP’s unelected lords and the civil service who have forgotten they’re here to serve (clues in the name) who have done their very best by fair means or foul (the majority being foul) to thwart brexit and continue so to do. Except that we left, so "Brexit got done". At least a staging post in an ongoing conversation. And given that Brexit was not defined at the time of the referendum, other than leaving the EU, not surprising that this took some time with multiple different voices on how best to proceed. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 3, 2023 6:43:58 GMT
So, you're kind of proving my point. Maybe Brexit has failed because it was a bad idea? Just a thought. Only in your tiny mind. No political comment, only a throwaway insult? Thanks for that useful contribution. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 3, 2023 6:49:17 GMT
David Lammy was talking about reparations for slavery the other day - somehow I get the feeling that your future is full of disappointment.. I could say that you deserve it for listening to the nonsense that David Lammy comes out with but I'm too polite. Well, the 5 yearly review will likely come up during Labour's tenure. It's not something they can simply ignore, particularly if the EU has new demands. you seem very confident starmer and co will be the next government darling to take any brexit decisions. Given starmers poor performance in the recent english local elections , where even milliband during his time in power did better despite the mauling milliband received ,i wouldnt be quite so sure.
The pre election hype around starmer as we have seen over recent years seems to be way ahead of his actual performances come voting time.
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Post by jonksy on Jul 3, 2023 6:58:31 GMT
No any problems connected to brexit are down a large section of MP’s unelected lords and the civil service who have forgotten they’re here to serve (clues in the name) who have done their very best by fair means or foul (the majority being foul) to thwart brexit and continue so to do. Except that we left, so "Brexit got done". At least a staging post in an ongoing conversation. And given that Brexit was not defined at the time of the referendum, other than leaving the EU, not surprising that this took some time with multiple different voices on how best to proceed. It was defind hash. What the fuck does leave mean? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 3, 2023 7:24:18 GMT
Well, the 5 yearly review will likely come up during Labour's tenure. It's not something they can simply ignore, particularly if the EU has new demands. you seem very confident starmer and co will be the next government darling to take any brexit decisions. Given starmers poor performance in the recent english local elections , where even milliband during his time in power did better despite the mauling milliband received ,i wouldnt be quite so sure.
The pre election hype around starmer as we have seen over recent years seems to be way ahead of his actual performances come voting time.
I don't believe in Starmer, Miss C., I believe in you. You've been telling us that Starmer will be delivering Brino for months now. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 3, 2023 9:13:11 GMT
Except that we left, so "Brexit got done". At least a staging post in an ongoing conversation. And given that Brexit was not defined at the time of the referendum, other than leaving the EU, not surprising that this took some time with multiple different voices on how best to proceed. It was defind hash. What the fuck does leave mean? Given that I said "given that Brexit was not defined at the time of the referendum, other than leaving the EU," I can only confirm that your reading skills are as good as your name calling. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2023 9:17:29 GMT
Brexit - is a complicated issue for many reasons To be very definitive about the Referendum, the actual referendum was a "snapshot" of public opinion on one particular day ( 0700 to 2200 ) over a 15 hour period seven years ago. That public opinion according to every poll and survey has now changed, and a vote today would result in REMAIN winning by a larger margin than by what LEAVE won seven years ago. So what do we do ? ... Was that referendum the one and only ever referendum that cannot ever be revisited ? The EU is undergoing treaty change. www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32122/parliament-activates-process-to-change-eu-treatiesDo you want a referendum on membership now, before you know what it is you'd be joining? Or do you want to know what the next treaty states first and then hold a referendum and see if people want it? Hold a referendum in 2036. By then you'll know what it is you'd be trying to join. I don't know what the future holds for the EU, but I know what I voted to leave, and I didn't like it at all. I can give you plenty of reasons. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 3, 2023 9:21:24 GMT
It was defind hash. What the fuck does leave mean? Given that I said "given that Brexit was not defined at the time of the referendum, other than leaving the EU," I can only confirm that your reading skills are as good as your name calling. Unlike you hash we knew what we were voting for. And my reading ability is fine tis my spelling that suffers. At least I couldn't see a form of ambiguity between leave and remain so what is your excuse for being fucked up over a single binary choice? |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 3, 2023 9:22:36 GMT
Brexit - is a complicated issue for many reasons To be very definitive about the Referendum, the actual referendum was a "snapshot" of public opinion on one particular day ( 0700 to 2200 ) over a 15 hour period seven years ago. That public opinion according to every poll and survey has now changed, and a vote today would result in REMAIN winning by a larger margin than by what LEAVE won seven years ago. So what do we do ? ... Was that referendum the one and only ever referendum that cannot ever be revisited ? The EU is undergoing treaty change. www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32122/parliament-activates-process-to-change-eu-treatiesDo you want a referendum on membership now, before you know what it is you'd be joining? Or do you want to know what the next treaty states first and then hold a referendum and see if people want it? Hold a referendum in 2036. By then you'll know what it is you'd be trying to join. I don't know what the future holds for the EU, but I know what I voted to leave, and I didn't like it at all. I can give you plenty of reasons. But he won't listen mate. You would have more luck pissing against the wind. |
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