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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 6:05:36 GMT
A leadership contest does not provide a manifesto there is no such thing as a 'leadership manifesto'. You will have to wait until Labour's manifesto is made public before you can accuse him of lying. The platform , or what you call it matters not. If you cant keep pledges you made to your own party , how can anyone trust anything you say? I suspect starmers big hope is driving up voter frustration , and encouraging low turnout. I see make a mistake and then say it does not matter.đ If you make a promise and the explain to people why you cannot keep it because circumstances change you are being pragmatic and not stupid. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 6:50:59 GMT
His leadership campaign took money from the guy who ran the Nevsky Fund. "However, the fund "took no active role whatsoever in the management of any Russian companies or had commercial business dealings with any Russian companies" and that "none of the investors in the Nevsky Fund were Russian". Oh dear. The Nevsky Fund was deeply invested in Gazprom and Lukoil.. Oh dear... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 7:11:51 GMT
"However, the fund "took no active role whatsoever in the management of any Russian companies or had commercial business dealings with any Russian companies" and that "none of the investors in the Nevsky Fund were Russian". Oh dear. The Nevsky Fund was deeply invested in Gazprom and Lukoil.. Oh dear... No dealings with Russia or Russians though. Mind, you are closed minded and will not even answer simple questions. đ |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2023 7:21:19 GMT
So making money from Russia and giving it to Starmer is good - making money from Russia and giving it to Johnson is bad..
OK - I think we all see where you are coming from..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 7:40:57 GMT
So making money from Russia and giving it to Starmer is good - making money from Russia and giving it to Johnson is bad.. OK - I think we all see where you are coming from.. You obviously did not read my post. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 7:54:54 GMT
The platform , or what you call it matters not. If you cant keep pledges you made to your own party , how can anyone trust anything you say? I suspect starmers big hope is driving up voter frustration , and encouraging low turnout. I see make a mistake and then say it does not matter.đ If you make a promise and the explain to people why you cannot keep it because circumstances change you are being pragmatic and not stupid. What mistake? A promise is a promise. Wether its written in a manifesto , or a pamphlet for the brothers and sisters to vote you in as leader , a gentlemans word is his bond despite neither being legally binding.
I think starmers inability to keep any pledges and his general untrustworthiness will be his undoing. I see a lot of folk are extremely angry with him in the labour party at present , over the neal lawson debacle.
You dont shit on your own doorstep as a rule .
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 7:56:33 GMT
So making money from Russia and giving it to Starmer is good - making money from Russia and giving it to Johnson is bad.. OK - I think we all see where you are coming from.. You obviously did not read my post. we dont want to hear anymore of your lame excuses reddy. As ive said before , you would think the dimwits in new labour would make sure they are squeaky clean regarding dirty money before waffling on about other parties. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 8:08:46 GMT
oh dear the shit really is hitting the fan for starmer and the blairites......
âRightwing, illiberalâ: Labour MP Jon Cruddas condemns Keir Starmerâs âwitch-huntâ
MP says moves to discipline Neal Lawson, who heads pressure group Compass, are a âdisgraceâ
A senior Labour MP claims today that Keir Starmerâs party has fallen under the control of a ârightwing, illiberalâ faction that is embarking on a âwitch-huntâ not only against the Corbynite left but also anyone with an independent voice.
In an extraordinary intervention, Jon Cruddas, the MP for Dagenham and Rainham, says that moves by the party to discipline and possibly expel Neal Lawson, a former speechwriter for Gordon Brown who now heads the pressure group Compass, are a âdisgraceâ in a party built on pluralist values and traditions.
The Observer has also been told that Lawson, a party member for 44 years who supports centre-left parties working together to bring down the Conservatives and the goal of proportional representation, has had support from at least two members of Starmerâs shadow cabinet who are outraged at his treatment.
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Post by see2 on Jul 2, 2023 8:16:18 GMT
So making money from Russia and giving it to Starmer is good - making money from Russia and giving it to Johnson is bad.. OK - I think we all see where you are coming from.. Unlike yourself there appears to be no bias in terms of who to back. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 2, 2023 8:25:23 GMT
I see make a mistake and then say it does not matter.đ If you make a promise and the explain to people why you cannot keep it because circumstances change you are being pragmatic and not stupid. What mistake? A promise is a promise. Wether its written in a manifesto , or a pamphlet for the brothers and sisters to vote you in as leader , a gentlemans word is his bond despite neither being legally binding.
I think starmers inability to keep any pledges and his general untrustworthiness will be his undoing. I see a lot of folk are extremely angry with him in the labour party at present , over the neal lawson debacle.
You dont shit on your own doorstep as a rule .
The people who voted for Starmer as leader knew he was on the right-wing of the party, so they knew there would be changes from the hard-left position of Corbyn. Unfortunately the extremely biased individuals who condemn Starmer don't have the ability to rationalise. They are clearly unable to be objective when it comes to Starmer, its just a case of get Starmer by any means. Which ignores the shit that awaits us if Starmer fails. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 8:32:50 GMT
What mistake? A promise is a promise. Wether its written in a manifesto , or a pamphlet for the brothers and sisters to vote you in as leader , a gentlemans word is his bond despite neither being legally binding.
I think starmers inability to keep any pledges and his general untrustworthiness will be his undoing. I see a lot of folk are extremely angry with him in the labour party at present , over the neal lawson debacle.
You dont shit on your own doorstep as a rule .
The people who voted for Starmer as leader knew he was on the right-wing of the party, so they knew there would be changes from the hard-left position of Corbyn. Unfortunately the extremely biased individuals who condemn Starmer don't have the ability to rationalise. They are clearly unable to be objective when it comes to Starmer, its just a case of get Starmer by any means. Which ignores the shit that awaits us if Starmer fails. Srb who posts on this forum was a labour member , not sure if he took part in the leadership vote , but from what i hear many voted for starmer because many of his pledges chimed with the left of the labour party , and then when elected he promptly discarded his pledges causing uproar.
rubbish. I dont think anyone is extremely biased in wanting the man to honour his left wing pledges he made to get folk to vote for him ? Backtracking on ending tuition fees in england especially seems to be a major bug for ordinary labour members and former labour supporters from what i read.
We have an out and out liar , who cant be trusted to honour his word , and people like you making puerile excuses for him , while at the same time you wonder why politics is in the mess it is today ?
Starmer will reap what he has sown , of that im sure.
A list of Keir Starmerâs abandoned policy pledges, from tuition fees to nationalisation
Since becoming Labour leader in 2020, Keir Starmer has abandoned some of his key promises. Weâve broken them down
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 8:35:47 GMT
So making money from Russia and giving it to Starmer is good - making money from Russia and giving it to Johnson is bad.. OK - I think we all see where you are coming from.. Unlike yourself there appears to be no bias in terms of who to back. We are all biased. Those who claim zero bias usually get laughed at.
Only a complete labour party idiot bleats about dirty russian money in other parties and leaves himself wide open to attacks due to starmers office doing the same.
Its not even just about dirty russian money , its how easily the russians can buy labour politicians , they sell themselves extremely cheaply.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 2, 2023 8:39:57 GMT
The people who voted for Starmer as leader knew he was on the right-wing of the party, so they knew there would be changes from the hard-left position of Corbyn. Unfortunately the extremely biased individuals who condemn Starmer don't have the ability to rationalise. They are clearly unable to be objective when it comes to Starmer, its just a case of get Starmer by any means. Which ignores the shit that awaits us if Starmer fails. Srb who posts on this forum was a labour member , not sure if he took part in the leadership vote , but from what i hear many voted for starmer because many of his pledges chimed with the left of the labour party , and then when elected he promptly discarded his pledges causing uproar.
rubbish. I dont think anyone is extremely biased in wanting the man to honour his left wing pledges he made to get folk to vote for him ? Backtracking on ending tuition fees in england especially seems to be a major bug for ordinary labour members and former labour supporters from what i read.
We have an out and out liar , who cant be trusted to honour his word , and people like you making puerile excuses for him , while at the same time you wonder why politics is in the mess it is today ?
Starmer will reap what he has sown , of that im sure.
A list of Keir Starmerâs abandoned policy pledges, from tuition fees to nationalisation
Since becoming Labour leader in 2020, Keir Starmer has abandoned some of his key promises. Weâve broken them down
Yes he made all the right noises, said what people wanted to hear, got elected, then the true Starmer came racing to the surface, as we get closer to the next GE, he'll try the same tactic, but we need to remind voters of his track record on being a stranger to the truth. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 2, 2023 8:42:17 GMT
Srb who posts on this forum was a labour member , not sure if he took part in the leadership vote , but from what i hear many voted for starmer because many of his pledges chimed with the left of the labour party , and then when elected he promptly discarded his pledges causing uproar.
rubbish. I dont think anyone is extremely biased in wanting the man to honour his left wing pledges he made to get folk to vote for him ? Backtracking on ending tuition fees in england especially seems to be a major bug for ordinary labour members and former labour supporters from what i read.
We have an out and out liar , who cant be trusted to honour his word , and people like you making puerile excuses for him , while at the same time you wonder why politics is in the mess it is today ?
Starmer will reap what he has sown , of that im sure.
A list of Keir Starmerâs abandoned policy pledges, from tuition fees to nationalisation
Since becoming Labour leader in 2020, Keir Starmer has abandoned some of his key promises. Weâve broken them down
Yes he made all the right noises, said what people wanted to hear, got elected, then the true Starmer came racing to the surface, as we get closer to the next GE, he'll try the same tactic, but we need to remind voters of his track record on being a stranger to the truth. Thats what i was saying to my mate darling , regarding brexit. If starmer can piss on the backs of his own labour party members with such ease , breaking pledge after pledge , can the uk public trust him regading say making brexit work , immigration , the economy and much else?
Im not sure the uk can afford another new labour government.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 2, 2023 8:50:23 GMT
Yes he made all the right noises, said what people wanted to hear, got elected, then the true Starmer came racing to the surface, as we get closer to the next GE, he'll try the same tactic, but we need to remind voters of his track record on being a stranger to the truth. Thats what i was saying to my mate darling , regarding brexit. If starmer can piss on the backs of his own labour party members with such ease , breaking pledge after pledge , can the uk public trust him regading say making brexit work , immigration , the economy and much else?
Im not sure the uk can afford another new labour government.
Starmer if he becomes PM has got his own vision for the UK, and take it from me it's not the one the general public want, and for that matter probably not even the Labour party.
He's got his own agenda, which is why you never get to see or hear of any of his policies, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, and if he gets into power it will not bode well for the UK.
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