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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:31:16 GMT
I think you will find that any 'pledges' Starmer is 'breaking' have been publicised by Labour and Starmer himself and the reasons given. The Tories have broken manifesto pledges. Labour are not in power and had not released their manifesto yet son can not break them. Spot the difference. starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? A leadership contest does not provide a manifesto there is no such thing as a 'leadership manifesto'. You will have to wait until Labour's manifesto is made public before you can accuse him of lying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:32:03 GMT
We know the Tories are accepting huge sums of money from Russians. so if the evil tories are bad and accpet money from the evil russians , why do labour work hand in glove with the tories in scotland ? Its as if you think people in England dont notice what you do in other countries. 
I dont think new labour have wuite caught upo with this technology malarkey thing just yet , you know where you can sit on your computer and talk to someone the other side of the globe and find out whats happening there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:32:54 GMT
starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? If Starmer tells you it's daytime, go out and check. He has never promised it was day or night. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:33:42 GMT
The thing is with compulsive liars like starmer , they spin such a web of deceit that eventually it all catches up with them. Take brexit for example .If he does win the next general election , its going to be fun watching which camp he is going to upset ?
He currently seems intent on pissing on the left , especially within his own party , and pissing on scotland , while trying to court a few tory votes in marginals . When he pisses on the tory right , who by and large voted and supporterd brexit , im wondering where he thinks he is going to get any support from at further election times?
Nice man keir , but he never seems the brightest bulb to me. ...but then what do you expect by a guy who im told is advised by rachel reeve , anus sarwar and the likes of mandy and clunking fist broon?
perhaps they are merely as darling implys hoping to be one term wonders and do just enough to overturn brexit? What we do know is the stupidity of labour knows no bounds.
Starmer is in a cut throat world, he doesn't know this yet, because he's not savvy enough, Labour are using Mr Squeaky Clean Starmer to get elected, once the fool is elected, Rayner and her Co-conspirators will start a coup and a vote of no confidence and then Rayner will be Prime Minister, Starmer will be gone in less than one year, and we'll have Rayner as Prime Minister for at least 4 years. All hail the Seer.🤣 |
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Post by Toreador on Jul 1, 2023 17:34:27 GMT
If Starmer tells you it's daytime, go out and check. He has never promised it was day or night. That's one he missed but I'm sure he'll get round to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:35:27 GMT
possibly. There are so many theories about starmer and labours stupidity at times though mate, i do struggle to keep up with things.
What i am sure of is i dont believe starmer is the shoe in just yet as the polls show and everyone seems to think.Knowing starmers ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory , i wouldnt be surprised if its a hung parliament.
It will be interesting for us political geeks watching it all play out , whatever happens.
Well I'm going to the bookies and putting a bet on a hung parliament, but it will be with the Tories, they obviously wont choose Labour, the Lib-dems are out and so is the SNP, so my guess will be the DUP again, I don't think Labour can swing the seats needed for a photo finish. Well said.😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:36:38 GMT
The snp will possibly lose seats , but im not sure how big a fall they will take. As i said , labour are despised in scotland despite what the polls imply , and labour often work hand in glove with the conservatives to keep the snp out. It would be starmers worst nighmare come true having to go cap in hand begging the snp to prop up a labour government , for many reasons including being seen to be working with an anti british party.
im not sure they can either. Of course we have a long way to go yet , and much can happen. Starmer isnt popular , he isnt a good politician who people may not agree with but admire his political nous , and he isnt offering anything so far radically different to what the voter are crying out for.
In short , what is the point of labour?
UK elections: Labour would fall 28 short of overall majority in general election, Sky News vote share projection shows
Saturday 6 May 2023 07:54, UK
Party would win 298 seats and would be the largest in parliament, taking more seats than they have held since the 2005 general election
Labour would fall short of an overall majority in parliament, a vote share projection shows following local elections in England.
Based on analysis of change in vote share across 1,500 wards Labour is the most popular party with 36%, with the Conservative share 29%, Lib Dems with 18% and others standing at 17%.
Assuming a uniform national swing and applying these to the seats decided at the last general election, Labour would be on course to become the largest party at the next election.
It would gain 95 seats - to an improved total of 298 in this projection - the highest number since Labour won the 2005 general election, but 28 short of an overall majority.
Rupert's having a real go then. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 17:37:44 GMT
we know labour politicians did as well . i know consistency and the ability to keep your own nose clean isnt the labour party and their paranoid supporters speciality , but it does seem common sense to get your own glass house in order before throwing stones at other peoples. Lets see how far we can go back the. Do you know what the money was used for, did Brown benefit in person, had Russia invaded a sovereign nation, was the money declared? The Tories have been taking money from Russians for their personal benefit and favours. The problem is you have been fed lies for so long you have lost sight of the truth. Starmer has never taken money from the Russians.
His leadership campaign took money from the guy who ran the Nevsky Fund. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 17:43:05 GMT
starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? A leadership contest does not provide a manifesto there is no such thing as a 'leadership manifesto'. You will have to wait until Labour's manifesto is made public before you can accuse him of lying. The platform , or what you call it matters not. If you cant keep pledges you made to your own party , how can anyone trust anything you say? I suspect starmers big hope is driving up voter frustration , and encouraging low turnout. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 17:45:06 GMT
so if the evil tories are bad and accpet money from the evil russians , why do labour work hand in glove with the tories in scotland ? Its as if you think people in England dont notice what you do in other countries.
I dont think new labour have wuite caught upo with this technology malarkey thing just yet , you know where you can sit on your computer and talk to someone the other side of the globe and find out whats happening there.
They are both in opposition. You tell the englsh voter to vote for you as the tories are evil while in scotland you work hand in glove with them? Surely even someone like you can see how this looks to voters? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 1, 2023 17:47:33 GMT
we know labour politicians did as well . i know consistency and the ability to keep your own nose clean isnt the labour party and their paranoid supporters speciality , but it does seem common sense to get your own glass house in order before throwing stones at other peoples. Lets see how far we can go back the. Do you know what the money was used for, did Brown benefit in person, had Russia invaded a sovereign nation, was the money declared? The Tories have been taking money from Russians for their personal benefit and favours. The problem is you have been fed lies for so long you have lost sight of the truth. Starmer has never taken money from the Russians. Irrelevant, Wonks. He still isn't going to win. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2023 19:03:01 GMT
I think you will find that any 'pledges' Starmer is 'breaking' have been publicised by Labour and Starmer himself and the reasons given. The Tories have broken manifesto pledges. Labour are not in power and had not released their manifesto yet son can not break them. Spot the difference. starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? When Starmer became the leader of the Labour Party he had every right to change the system from Corbyn nonsense to a new beginning for Labour. IF THE LABOUR PARTY DON'T LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING, THEY CAN DUMP HIM. People who are his political antagonists should take a look at just how stupid their political bias is screwing up their own minds. |
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Post by Toreador on Jul 1, 2023 19:26:18 GMT
starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? When Starmer became the leader of the Labour Party he had every right to change the system from Corbyn nonsense to a new beginning for Labour. IF THE LABOUR PARTY DON'T LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING, THEY CAN DUMP HIM. People who are his political antagonists should take a look at just how stupid their political bias is screwing up their own minds. The braindead lawyer supported Corbyn. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 21:21:15 GMT
starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? When Starmer became the leader of the Labour Party he had every right to change the system from Corbyn nonsense to a new beginning for Labour. IF THE LABOUR PARTY DON'T LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING, THEY CAN DUMP HIM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 6:03:51 GMT
Lets see how far we can go back the. Do you know what the money was used for, did Brown benefit in person, had Russia invaded a sovereign nation, was the money declared? The Tories have been taking money from Russians for their personal benefit and favours. The problem is you have been fed lies for so long you have lost sight of the truth. Starmer has never taken money from the Russians.
His leadership campaign took money from the guy who ran the Nevsky Fund. "However, the fund "took no active role whatsoever in the management of any Russian companies or had commercial business dealings with any Russian companies" and that "none of the investors in the Nevsky Fund were Russian". Oh dear. |
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