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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 15:34:41 GMT
I can say it, and I have said it, it's not hard to work out why nothing sticks to Labour, they get away with everything they accuse the Tories of, lockdown parties, fiddling parking/speeding fines, having meetings with the head of a inquiry months before the inquiry got underway, it stinks to high heaven, Labour are corrupt and the woke snowflake establishment is shielding them, and closing anyone down he dares oppose them. You know the Sue Gray thing was a Tory concoction. You know they had no parties. As to the speeding/parking fines lets see if there is an investigation. Otherwise you have got nothing. Not content with breaking pledge after pledge and hoping the electorate doesnt notice , i see all hell has broken looses for starmers expulsion of neal lawson from the party.
Another day , and the leadership of the worlds most deluded political party carry on trying nobly trying to shoot themselves in both feet at the same time on a consistent basis.
Neal Lawson: the Labour Party is a bully
The director of Compass speaks out against his potential expulsion.
After 44 years, Labour moves to expel me. And my MP and activist friends are asking: who will be next?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 15:36:51 GMT
"ITN 6 March 2022 In this article: Keir Starmer British politician. Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has denied there were any links between his party and Russian money, but suggests Conservatives should review donations to their party and get rid of any money linked to Putin". you mean new labour denied the allegations reddy???
Shocking news if true.
The tories have similarly denied many allegations from labour , as have others like farage from labours chris bryant i believe , but it never seems to stop labour throwing mud and hoping it sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 15:39:34 GMT
You know the Sue Gray thing was a Tory concoction. You know they had no parties. As to the speeding/parking fines lets see if there is an investigation. Otherwise you have got nothing. Not content with breaking pledge after pledge and hoping the electorate doesnt notice , i see all hell has broken looses for starmers expulsion of neal lawson from the party.
Another day , and the leadership of the worlds most deluded political party carry on trying nobly trying to shoot themselves in both feet at the same time on a consistent basis.
Neal Lawson: the Labour Party is a bully
The director of Compass speaks out against his potential expulsion.
After 44 years, Labour moves to expel me. And my MP and activist friends are asking: who will be next?
Neal Lawson
I think you will find that any 'pledges' Starmer is 'breaking' have been publicised by Labour and Starmer himself and the reasons given. The Tories have broken manifesto pledges. Labour are not in power and had not released their manifesto yet son can not break them. Spot the difference. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 15:41:21 GMT
you mean new labour denied the allegations reddy???
Shocking news if true.
The tories have similarly denied many allegations from labour , as have others like farage from labours chris bryant i believe , but it never seems to stop labour throwing mud and hoping it sticks.
What's new Labour got to do with it? We know the Tories are accepting huge sums of money from Russians. we know labour politicians did as well . i know consistency and the ability to keep your own nose clean isnt the labour party and their paranoid supporters speciality , but it does seem common sense to get your own glass house in order before throwing stones at other peoples. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 15:42:41 GMT
Not content with breaking pledge after pledge and hoping the electorate doesnt notice , i see all hell has broken looses for starmers expulsion of neal lawson from the party.
Another day , and the leadership of the worlds most deluded political party carry on trying nobly trying to shoot themselves in both feet at the same time on a consistent basis.
Neal Lawson: the Labour Party is a bully
The director of Compass speaks out against his potential expulsion.
After 44 years, Labour moves to expel me. And my MP and activist friends are asking: who will be next?
Neal Lawson
I think you will find that any 'pledges' Starmer is 'breaking' have been publicised by Labour and Starmer himself and the reasons given. The Tories have broken manifesto pledges. Labour are not in power and had not released their manifesto yet son can not break them. Spot the difference. starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 15:46:18 GMT
you mean new labour denied the allegations reddy???
Shocking news if true.
The tories have similarly denied many allegations from labour , as have others like farage from labours chris bryant i believe , but it never seems to stop labour throwing mud and hoping it sticks.
We know the Tories are accepting huge sums of money from Russians. so if the evil tories are bad and accpet money from the evil russians , why do labour work hand in glove with the tories in scotland ? Its as if you think people in England dont notice what you do in other countries. 
I dont think new labour have wuite caught upo with this technology malarkey thing just yet , you know where you can sit on your computer and talk to someone the other side of the globe and find out whats happening there.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2023 15:46:38 GMT
I think you will find that any 'pledges' Starmer is 'breaking' have been publicised by Labour and Starmer himself and the reasons given. The Tories have broken manifesto pledges. Labour are not in power and had not released their manifesto yet son can not break them. Spot the difference. starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? If Starmer tells you it's daytime, go out and check. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 15:52:57 GMT
starmer borke every one of his leadership manifesto pledges to get elected labour leader . How could anyone trust such a man at general election time? If Starmer tells you it's daytime, go out and check. The thing is with compulsive liars like starmer , they spin such a web of deceit that eventually it all catches up with them. Take brexit for example .If he does win the next general election , its going to be fun watching which camp he is going to upset ?
He currently seems intent on pissing on the left , especially within his own party , and pissing on scotland , while trying to court a few tory votes in marginals . When he pisses on the tory right , who by and large voted and supporterd brexit , im wondering where he thinks he is going to get any support from at further election times?
Nice man keir , but he never seems the brightest bulb to me. ...but then what do you expect by a guy who im told is advised by rachel reeve , anus sarwar and the likes of mandy and clunking fist broon?
perhaps they are merely as darling implys hoping to be one term wonders and do just enough to overturn brexit? What we do know is the stupidity of labour knows no bounds.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2023 16:01:41 GMT
If Starmer tells you it's daytime, go out and check. The thing is with compulsive liars like starmer , they spin such a web of deceit that eventually it all catches up with them. Take brexit for example .If he does win the next general election , its going to be fun watching which camp he is going to upset ?
He currently seems intent on pissing on the left , especially within his own party , and pissing on scotland , while trying to court a few tory votes in marginals . When he pisses on the tory right , who by and large voted and supporterd brexit , im wondering where he thinks he is going to get any support from at further election times?
Nice man keir , but he never seems the brightest bulb to me. ...but then what do you expect by a guy who im told is advised by rachel reeve , anus sarwar and the likes of mandy and clunking fist broon?
perhaps they are merely as darling implys hoping to be one term wonders and do just enough to overturn brexit? What we do know is the stupidity of labour knows no bounds.
Starmer is in a cut throat world, he doesn't know this yet, because he's not savvy enough, Labour are using Mr Squeaky Clean Starmer to get elected, once the fool is elected, Rayner and her Co-conspirators will start a coup and a vote of no confidence and then Rayner will be Prime Minister, Starmer will be gone in less than one year, and we'll have Rayner as Prime Minister for at least 4 years. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 16:20:41 GMT
The thing is with compulsive liars like starmer , they spin such a web of deceit that eventually it all catches up with them. Take brexit for example .If he does win the next general election , its going to be fun watching which camp he is going to upset ?
He currently seems intent on pissing on the left , especially within his own party , and pissing on scotland , while trying to court a few tory votes in marginals . When he pisses on the tory right , who by and large voted and supporterd brexit , im wondering where he thinks he is going to get any support from at further election times?
Nice man keir , but he never seems the brightest bulb to me. ...but then what do you expect by a guy who im told is advised by rachel reeve , anus sarwar and the likes of mandy and clunking fist broon?
perhaps they are merely as darling implys hoping to be one term wonders and do just enough to overturn brexit? What we do know is the stupidity of labour knows no bounds.
Starmer is in a cut throat world, he doesn't know this yet, because he's not savvy enough, Labour are using Mr Squeaky Clean Starmer to get elected, once the fool is elected, Rayner and her Co-conspirators will start a coup and a vote of no confidence and then Rayner will be Prime Minister, Starmer will be gone in less than one year, and we'll have Rayner as Prime Minister for at least 4 years. possibly. There are so many theories about starmer and labours stupidity at times though mate, i do struggle to keep up with things.
What i am sure of is i dont believe starmer is the shoe in just yet as the polls show and everyone seems to think.Knowing starmers ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory , i wouldnt be surprised if its a hung parliament.
It will be interesting for us political geeks watching it all play out , whatever happens.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2023 16:40:18 GMT
Starmer is in a cut throat world, he doesn't know this yet, because he's not savvy enough, Labour are using Mr Squeaky Clean Starmer to get elected, once the fool is elected, Rayner and her Co-conspirators will start a coup and a vote of no confidence and then Rayner will be Prime Minister, Starmer will be gone in less than one year, and we'll have Rayner as Prime Minister for at least 4 years. possibly. There are so many theories about starmer and labours stupidity at times though mate, i do struggle to keep up with things.
What i am sure of is i dont believe starmer is the shoe in just yet as the polls show and everyone seems to think.Knowing starmers ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory , i wouldnt be surprised if its a hung parliament.
It will be interesting for us political geeks watching it all play out , whatever happens.
Well I'm going to the bookies and putting a bet on a hung parliament, but it will be with the Tories, they obviously wont choose Labour, the Lib-dems are out and so is the SNP, so my guess will be the DUP again, I don't think Labour can swing the seats needed for a photo finish. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 17:15:25 GMT
possibly. There are so many theories about starmer and labours stupidity at times though mate, i do struggle to keep up with things.
What i am sure of is i dont believe starmer is the shoe in just yet as the polls show and everyone seems to think.Knowing starmers ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory , i wouldnt be surprised if its a hung parliament.
It will be interesting for us political geeks watching it all play out , whatever happens.
Well I'm going to the bookies and putting a bet on a hung parliament, but it will be with the Tories, they obviously wont choose Labour, the Lib-dems are out and so is the SNP, so my guess will be the DUP again, I don't think Labour can swing the seats needed for a photo finish. The snp will possibly lose seats , but im not sure how big a fall they will take. As i said , labour are despised in scotland despite what the polls imply , and labour often work hand in glove with the conservatives to keep the snp out. It would be starmers worst nighmare come true having to go cap in hand begging the snp to prop up a labour government , for many reasons including being seen to be working with an anti british party.
im not sure they can either. Of course we have a long way to go yet , and much can happen. Starmer isnt popular , he isnt a good politician who people may not agree with but admire his political nous , and he isnt offering anything so far radically different to what the voter are crying out for.
In short , what is the point of labour?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 1, 2023 17:23:46 GMT
Thus far, their only USP is not being the Tories. And I don't think that's enough. The goal is wide open but they still need to score.
And I doubt that they can.
The smart money is on a hung parliament.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2023 17:24:13 GMT
Well I'm going to the bookies and putting a bet on a hung parliament, but it will be with the Tories, they obviously wont choose Labour, the Lib-dems are out and so is the SNP, so my guess will be the DUP again, I don't think Labour can swing the seats needed for a photo finish. The snp will possibly lose seats , but im not sure how big a fall they will take. As i said , labour are despised in scotland despite what the polls imply , and labour often work hand in glove with the conservatives to keep the snp out. It would be starmers worst nighmare come true having to go cap in hand begging the snp to prop up a labour government , for many reasons including being seen to be working with an anti british party.
im not sure they can either. Of course we have a long way to go yet , and much can happen. Starmer isnt popular , he isnt a good politician who people may not agree with but admire his political nous , and he isnt offering anything so far radically different to what the voter are crying out for.
In short , what is the point of labour?
UK elections: Labour would fall 28 short of overall majority in general election, Sky News vote share projection shows
Saturday 6 May 2023 07:54, UK
Party would win 298 seats and would be the largest in parliament, taking more seats than they have held since the 2005 general election
Labour would fall short of an overall majority in parliament, a vote share projection shows following local elections in England.
Based on analysis of change in vote share across 1,500 wards Labour is the most popular party with 36%, with the Conservative share 29%, Lib Dems with 18% and others standing at 17%.
Assuming a uniform national swing and applying these to the seats decided at the last general election, Labour would be on course to become the largest party at the next election.
It would gain 95 seats - to an improved total of 298 in this projection - the highest number since Labour won the 2005 general election, but 28 short of an overall majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2023 17:28:58 GMT
What's new Labour got to do with it? We know the Tories are accepting huge sums of money from Russians. we know labour politicians did as well . i know consistency and the ability to keep your own nose clean isnt the labour party and their paranoid supporters speciality , but it does seem common sense to get your own glass house in order before throwing stones at other peoples. Lets see how far we can go back the. Do you know what the money was used for, did Brown benefit in person, had Russia invaded a sovereign nation, was the money declared? The Tories have been taking money from Russians for their personal benefit and favours. The problem is you have been fed lies for so long you have lost sight of the truth. Starmer has never taken money from the Russians. |
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