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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2022 15:21:57 GMT
The ‘ pish ‘ is filtered out ..as is the shit. Please stop posting this bullshit . We had a lovely long conversation where the more you couldn’t prove you false claim , the more cross you got . I await more bluster . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 15:34:42 GMT
Can I just remind you that alongside the privatisation of the water companies was a 40% increase in the charges. Not that's what I call a profit increase. If my business could get a government guaranteed 40% increase in prices we would see huge amounts of inward investment. Now that's a really non-shit grasp of finance. Don't yer know. Yes it went up 40% and it has stayed pretty much at that level. There's a £600b legacy problem, do you think they were charging a sufficient amount under nationalisation? lol. What are you on about? My claim was not that prices did not need to rise, but that they could possibly have had the same effect if given to nationalised water services We can't know as the public companies were never given the same opportunity to transform with 40% more money. I think you are the one struggling to grasp the realities with your unfair comparisons and inability to consider them. We have cleaned up our rivers, you really are out of touch with reality. Most are polluted with raw sewage many pumped dry every summer because of the failure to build enough reservoirs to keep up with population growth. But I never raised any of these things you rant at me about. I merely pointed out that the public owned water companies might have done very well had they not been starved of the 40% the private companies needed. That its even possible that this was a deliberate act to starve the nationalised companies to make privatisation more popular. Austerity and the NHS spring to mind. Now calm yourself and try and actually address my points please. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 5, 2022 15:36:11 GMT
The ‘ pish ‘ is filtered out ..as is the shit. Please stop posting this bullshit . We had a lovely long conversation where the more you couldn’t prove you false claim , the more cross you got . I await more bluster . He won't be responding again after my check mate reply. Did you read it? It was one of the easiest home runs I have hit in a long time. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 5, 2022 15:37:23 GMT
Many, both on the Right and on the Left cannot see common sense Too many people on the Left ( usually the Momentum types or Corbynites ) seem to think "profit" is a dirty word, and too many people on the Right fail spectacularly to see the JUST cause for limited or "one-off" Windfall Taxes.Lets take the case of "Shell" which is on course to make record profits this year of £40 BILLION We had a 'one-off' windfall tax on Shell 6 months ago - now you are suggesting the government goes back for 2nd bite at the cherry. ...and next year it will be a 3rd...and then a 4th...  For clarity I want a windfall tax that takes all the windfall made from the Ukraine war. Even the arms companies don't profit from sales made after one country invades another. Even the boss of Shell thinks a windfall tax is reasonable. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 15:44:14 GMT
pacifico >> "We had a 'one-off' windfall tax on Shell 6 months ago - now you are suggesting the government goes back for 2nd bite at the cherry.
...and next year it will be a 3rd...and then a 4th"
So what is it that you are saying ?, that instead of surcharging record profits which many say are obscene, you actually believe the way ahead is yet more cuts ?, more cuts to public services, slashing public sector pay AGAIN, restricting NHS staff to a 2% pay cap whilst inflation is at 10%. ?
You sure sound like a true Tory
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2022 17:17:45 GMT
pacifico >> "We had a 'one-off' windfall tax on Shell 6 months ago - now you are suggesting the government goes back for 2nd bite at the cherry.
...and next year it will be a 3rd...and then a 4th"So what is it that you are saying ?, that instead of surcharging record profits which many say are obscene, you actually believe the way ahead is yet more cuts ?, more cuts to public services, slashing public sector pay AGAIN, restricting NHS staff to a 2% pay cap whilst inflation is at 10%. ? You sure sound like a true Tory The UK has a problem with growth - you dont grow an economy by making it difficult (and uneconomic) for companies to operate. Without a thriving private sector spending on the Public Sector is unaffordable. Also with regards to public sector pay - we have just gone through 2 years of economic catastrophe where large sectors of the economy were shut down. The Public Sector were totally insulated from that crisis - not a single public sector worker lost their job and many were sitting at home on full pay doing nothing (and many still are). You cannot insulate public sector workers from economic reality, they have to share the pain along with the rest of the economy. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 6, 2022 0:45:23 GMT
pacifico >> "We had a 'one-off' windfall tax on Shell 6 months ago - now you are suggesting the government goes back for 2nd bite at the cherry.
...and next year it will be a 3rd...and then a 4th"So what is it that you are saying ?, that instead of surcharging record profits which many say are obscene, you actually believe the way ahead is yet more cuts ?, more cuts to public services, slashing public sector pay AGAIN, restricting NHS staff to a 2% pay cap whilst inflation is at 10%. ? You sure sound like a true Tory There is already a windfall tax in place that will cover 2023 as well. They didn't pay any in 2022 because of the extra investments the government wanted. Both Shell and BP say they expect to pay some windfall tax in 2023. It really won't raise much at all though, because Labour keeps talking shite and giving global profits instead of UK profits. The NHS got 4.75% this year, not 2%. 2% was the starting bargaining figure. Everybody got at least £1400. Is it enough, probably not, but giving 1.2 million people a 10% pay rise would be very inflationary. The average NHS worker is on £28k, the average nurse on £33k. Labour can keep talking shite about nurses using foodbanks, but do you really think they will have public support once the actually figure they are earning is made public? Finally, you do understand that the public sector is 5 million people strong (15% of the entire workforce of the UK)? It's baked in when you work for the state that you have secure employment, and a fair employer that follows the rules, but with that stability comes pay freezes when the public pursed is fucked. Can you imagine giving 5 million people an inflation matching pay rise, as well as 13 million pensioners, and 30 million people on benefits. That is going to be massively inflationary. These are tough times, people are going to have to suck it up or else inflation will run even more rampant. |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 12, 2022 10:27:46 GMT
I have just noticed your latest garbage. The photograph in your link is a storm drain. Not sewage. So much for true journalism. And any raw sewage in Scotland runs into the sea. Mostly the Clyde. Which is tidal. Not rivers. Even your chart which is bollocks, Thames Water, which is connected to almost four million properties and serves the majority of London, lost 232 billion litres of water in 2020/21 – the equivalent of almost 93,000 Olympic swimming pools. Each day the company was losing 635 million litres of water due to leaks. On its own . Now go and add all the English water companies Then compare it to Scotland. Not even close. How the link arrives at 30.2% That leak would flood the UK. Now the reality. In the same period Scottish Water lost 169 billion litres. Which coming from the likes of Loch Ness, Loch Lomond, Loch Katrine each on there own, when the other two are taking out of the equation. Holding more water than the entire UK put together. That includes Scotland. A fart in a thunderstorm. And shareholders do not profit. Ha ha ha www.nationalworld.com/news/environment/uk-water-companies-most-leakages-suppliers-compare-bosses-millions-3812613www.rpsgroup.com/insights/water/overflow-performance-in-scotland-a-different-approach/ |
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