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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 27, 2023 14:11:25 GMT
I see Fairsociety has no more answer to the real world on this thread than he has on the "nottingham" thread. I see Red Rackham has been watching a little too much GB News.... I'm taking some good advice from Jonks, and not feeding you, you have nothing value to add to any debate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 14:13:17 GMT
I see Fairsociety has no more answer to the real world on this thread than he has on the "nottingham" thread. I see Red Rackham has been watching a little too much GB News.... Personally, I find the story quite disturbing and highlights the fact that the Conservative party is just as wasteful as Labour. I have no idea why you're attacking other members personally and making out that GBNews is somehow a bad thing. Have you always been this intolerant? |
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Post by dappy on Jun 27, 2023 14:21:39 GMT
I see Fairsociety has no more answer to the real world on this thread than he has on the "nottingham" thread. I see Red Rackham has been watching a little too much GB News.... I'm taking some good advice from Jonks, and not feeding you, you have nothing value to add to any debate. I am sure the two of you will be very happy together. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 27, 2023 14:21:53 GMT
I see Fairsociety has no more answer to the real world on this thread than he has on the "nottingham" thread. I see Red Rackham has been watching a little too much GB News.... That's your problem Dappy, you don't see. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 27, 2023 14:36:39 GMT
In todays media
Robert Jenrick has claimed the “damage to society will continue to grow” unless ministers act “decisively” to deter small boat crossings, amid concerns over proposed reforms.
The immigration minister defended the Illegal Migration Bill and its accompanying economic impact assessment, which he said showed the “true cost of doing nothing” could amount to more than £11 billion a year by the end of 2026.
The Home Office’s own estimates also suggest that ministers could spend £169,000 on every asylum seeker forcibly removed to a third country, such as Rwanda.
The cost for one person in the asylum system for just one night has gone up five-fold in four years.
Labour's Yvette Cooper
But Labour branded the impact assessment “garbage” and said it failed to take into account other proposals, including speeding up the asylum system, in a bid to make savings.
A total of 45,755 people were detected to have made the perilous journey across the Channel in small boats last year.
The Illegal Migration Bill is currently making its way through Parliament and it aims to prevent people from claiming asylum in the UK if they arrive through unauthorised means.
The Government also hopes the changes will ensure detained people are promptly removed, either to their home country or a third country.
Mr Jenrick, responding to an urgent question, told the House of Commons: “The impact assessment published yesterday makes clear that inaction is simply not an option.
“The volumes and costs associated with illegal migration have risen exponentially, driven by small boat arrivals. Unless we act decisively to stop the boats, the cost to the taxpayer and the damage to society will continue to grow.
“The asylum system currently costs £3.6 billion a year and £6 million a day in hotel accommodation. That is not the true cost of doing nothing.
“As this impact assessment shows, the cost of accommodating illegal migrants has increased dramatically since 2020 and if these trends continue the Home Office would be spending over £11 billion a year, or £32 million a day, on asylum support by the end of 2026. I
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 14:37:38 GMT
Them and Blair have created the problem... Labourphile. !3 years and the Tories could not solve the problem 'Blair' created. are you really that daft? You are giving Blair far too much credit. Blair got filthy rich from war and did seemingly irreversible damage to the UK for his dream of world power and riches. As a psychopath Blair is at the top of the game. The problem today is that the insitututions are corrupt with Blairism and those who have completely different interests to the people.
Going back and forth between parties is moronic, which leaves me to suspect that you support the status quo.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 27, 2023 14:40:32 GMT
In todays media Robert Jenrick has claimed the “damage to society will continue to grow” unless ministers act “decisively” to deter small boat crossings, amid concerns over proposed reforms. The immigration minister defended the Illegal Migration Bill and its accompanying economic impact assessment, which he said showed the “true cost of doing nothing” could amount to more than £11 billion a year by the end of 2026.
The Home Office’s own estimates also suggest that ministers could spend £169,000 on every asylum seeker forcibly removed to a third country, such as Rwanda. The cost for one person in the asylum system for just one night has gone up five-fold in four years. Labour's Yvette Cooper But Labour branded the impact assessment “garbage” and said it failed to take into account other proposals, including speeding up the asylum system, in a bid to make savings. A total of 45,755 people were detected to have made the perilous journey across the Channel in small boats last year. The Illegal Migration Bill is currently making its way through Parliament and it aims to prevent people from claiming asylum in the UK if they arrive through unauthorised means. The Government also hopes the changes will ensure detained people are promptly removed, either to their home country or a third country. Mr Jenrick, responding to an urgent question, told the House of Commons: “The impact assessment published yesterday makes clear that inaction is simply not an option. “The volumes and costs associated with illegal migration have risen exponentially, driven by small boat arrivals. Unless we act decisively to stop the boats, the cost to the taxpayer and the damage to society will continue to grow. “The asylum system currently costs £3.6 billion a year and £6 million a day in hotel accommodation. That is not the true cost of doing nothing. “As this impact assessment shows, the cost of accommodating illegal migrants has increased dramatically since 2020 and if these trends continue the Home Office would be spending over £11 billion a year, or £32 million a day, on asylum support by the end of 2026. II think they got the headline wrong, so far it has cost 170k for each one not deported. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 27, 2023 14:42:09 GMT
Labourphile. !3 years and the Tories could not solve the problem 'Blair' created. are you really that daft? You are giving Blair far too much credit. Blair got filthy rich from war and did seemingly irreversible damage to the UK for his dream of world power and riches. As a psychopath Blair is at the top of the game. The problem today is that the insitututions are corrupt with Blairism and those who have completely different interests to the people.
Going back and forth between parties is moronic, which leaves me to suspect that you support the status quo.
And lets not forget, Starmer wants to elevate both Blair and Brown to the Lords. We will never be rid of them. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 27, 2023 14:45:01 GMT
Blair got filthy rich from war and did seemingly irreversible damage to the UK for his dream of world power and riches. As a psychopath Blair is at the top of the game. The problem today is that the insitututions are corrupt with Blairism and those who have completely different interests to the people.
Going back and forth between parties is moronic, which leaves me to suspect that you support the status quo.
And lets not forget, Starmer wants to elevate both Blair and Brown to the Lords. We will never be rid of them. Not until death do us part, they see themselves as great political giants on the global stage who have furthered the global political agenda. Any damage to the UK is irrespective. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 15:07:59 GMT
The huge problem of tens of thousands of illegals landing on English beaches will not be stopped for one simple reason, the only people who can stop it are the EU/French, and they don't want it stopped. As we all know, the UK must be punished for Brexit. Since the Rwanda plan hasn't even started, people who say it will never work are quite obviously talking out of their arse. What they mean is, they don't want it work. It seems pretty obvious that if illegals know they will be flown to Africa once they reach England they would be less likely to pay people smugglers thousands of euros to get them across the channel. I ask the same questions I have for a while and had no serious response. Why should the French, given they have their own immigration problem, stop immigrants boarding boats and sailing to England? And. Would we stop them leaving England if the roles were reversed? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 15:15:14 GMT
Labourphile. !3 years and the Tories could not solve the problem 'Blair' created. are you really that daft? You are giving Blair far too much credit. Blair got filthy rich from war and did seemingly irreversible damage to the UK for his dream of world power and riches. As a psychopath Blair is at the top of the game. The problem today is that the insitututions are corrupt with Blairism and those who have completely different interests to the people.
Going back and forth between parties is moronic, which leaves me to suspect that you support the status quo.
Did you write to Blair when he was in power condemning the war in Iraq? I did. Starmer is, in my opinion, a Blairite. I would like PR and not what we have now. I blame Blair for the Iraq war and he did have a part to play in the immigration problem we have now but the Tories have had plenty of time to sort it but have just let it get worse, they are the present problem. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 27, 2023 15:21:57 GMT
The huge problem of tens of thousands of illegals landing on English beaches will not be stopped for one simple reason, the only people who can stop it are the EU/French, and they don't want it stopped. As we all know, the UK must be punished for Brexit. Since the Rwanda plan hasn't even started, people who say it will never work are quite obviously talking out of their arse. What they mean is, they don't want it work. It seems pretty obvious that if illegals know they will be flown to Africa once they reach England they would be less likely to pay people smugglers thousands of euros to get them across the channel. I ask the same questions I have for a while and had no serious response. Why should the French, given they have their own immigration problem, stop immigrants boarding boats and sailing to England? And. Would we stop them leaving England if the roles were reversed? Pillock. The French refuse to allow 'refugee' boats from Africa to land on their mediterranean coast, which is why the Italians are so pissed of with the French. Yet the French look the other way when it comes to the Channel coast, double standards? Hypocrisy? You choose. I think we all know that if hundreds of thousands of illegals from England were landing on French beaches, the French and the EU would be going absolutely mental. They would demand the ECtHR fined the UK £billions, and insist the UN issued sanctions against the UK for not securing it's borders, and you can bet every single illegal would be deported back to England. Yes indeed, if the roles as you say were reversed, it would be a very different matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 15:24:16 GMT
Blair got filthy rich from war and did seemingly irreversible damage to the UK for his dream of world power and riches. As a psychopath Blair is at the top of the game. The problem today is that the insitututions are corrupt with Blairism and those who have completely different interests to the people.
Going back and forth between parties is moronic, which leaves me to suspect that you support the status quo.
Did you write to Blair when he was in power condemning the war in Iraq? I did. Starmer is, in my opinion, a Blairite. I would like PR and not what we have now. I blame Blair for the Iraq war and he did have a part to play in the immigration problem we have now but the Tories have had plenty of time to sort it but have just let it get worse, they are the present problem. It doesn't matter whether you blame Blair or not. You still support him and his legacy, and want to put his poodle into power. As per usual your post ends with the usual Tories bad, Labour better, which is moronic. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 27, 2023 16:14:37 GMT
The huge problem of tens of thousands of illegals landing on English beaches will not be stopped for one simple reason, the only people who can stop it are the EU/French, and they don't want it stopped. As we all know, the UK must be punished for Brexit. Since the Rwanda plan hasn't even started, people who say it will never work are quite obviously talking out of their arse. What they mean is, they don't want it work. It seems pretty obvious that if illegals know they will be flown to Africa once they reach England they would be less likely to pay people smugglers thousands of euros to get them across the channel. I ask the same questions I have for a while and had no serious response. Why should the French, given they have their own immigration problem, stop immigrants boarding boats and sailing to England? And. Would we stop them leaving England if the roles were reversed? Perhaps when you get a good idea you'll let us know. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 16:27:22 GMT
Even the Government doesn't believe that "rwanda" would deter people claiming asylum here. Its just a (extraordinarily expensive) gimmick for the gullible and the tabloids. Will be dropped after the next election if (seemingly highly unlikely) the Tories retain power. so clever clogs how would you deal with the unsustainable invasion of illegal migrants, you do of course realise if it isn't tackled the UK will implode. They wouldn't deal with it - they want to increase it ffs..  |
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