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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 27, 2023 7:13:42 GMT
Apparently it costs £170,000 to deport someone to Rwanda. This may or may not be true but it's plainly irrelevant. Why is it that the Left simply cannot understand that the whole point of the scheme is that it will DETER migrants from coming. If we could guarantee that all migrants would be deported to Rwanda then the small boats would stop coming. We know that because Australia did this (deporting to Papua New Guinea) and the boats stopped.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 7:23:56 GMT
I think its because it suits some people to pretend that the measure will have no effect on demand to come to the UK - otherwise it destroys their whole argument.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 27, 2023 7:37:35 GMT
That is at present an unknown.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 7:39:28 GMT
Spending thousands to come to the UK and ending up in Rwanda is going to have an impact on demand - it's daft to suggest otherwise.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 27, 2023 7:48:45 GMT
I think its because it suits some people to pretend that the measure will have no effect on demand to come to the UK - otherwise it destroys their whole argument. I think at the moment it will have absolutely no effect.
Firstly because smarmy ambulance chasing lawyers have successfully stymied every attempt to deport anyone anywhere and additionally and especially since the first fuckwit in Cardiff Bay is offering any who manage to yomp from Dover to anywhere west of the severn bridge £1600 a month (twice the Old age pension i believe) plus free legal counsel to fight such deportation.= in exchange for their vote to keep the shit in power, something Kier has noticed and wants to roll out in London, and will get the chance if Sunak keeps going the way he is.
Blair received quite a lot of money from Indian software house moguls to initiate his fast tracked visa scheme which I helped sink as illegal back in the early 2000's
I wonder if Sunak is on a similar promise to enable more indians to rock up and enjoy life in britain safe from our inheritance tax laws by losing out to Starmer next year ?
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Post by Handyman on Jun 27, 2023 7:56:34 GMT
Apparently it costs £170,000 to deport someone to Rwanda. This may or may not be true but it's plainly irrelevant. Why is it that the Left simply cannot understand that the whole point of the scheme is that it will DETER migrants from coming. If we could guarantee that all migrants would be deported to Rwanda then the small boats would stop coming. We know that because Australia did this (deporting to Papua New Guinea) and the boats stopped. Exactly |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 8:18:21 GMT
Apparently it costs £170,000 to deport someone to Rwanda. This may or may not be true but it's plainly irrelevant. Why is it that the Left simply cannot understand that the whole point of the scheme is that it will DETER migrants from coming. If we could guarantee that all migrants would be deported to Rwanda then the small boats would stop coming. We know that because Australia did this (deporting to Papua New Guinea) and the boats stopped. At present it has cost nothing, except for the admin costs that we have wasted and it has not, as far as we can see, stopped any boats crossing the channel in fact many asylum seekers who really want to go to Rwanda will get free passage.😔 The Tories have not got a clue what they are doing or rather since they are actually doing nothing they haven't got a clue as to what they are not doing. It's all 'warm words' for the right wingers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 8:19:58 GMT
I think its because it suits some people to pretend that the measure will have no effect on demand to come to the UK - otherwise it destroys their whole argument. I think at the moment it will have absolutely no effect.
Firstly because smarmy ambulance chasing lawyers have successfully stymied every attempt to deport anyone anywhere and additionally and especially since the first fuckwit in Cardiff Bay is offering any who manage to yomp from Dover to anywhere west of the severn bridge £1600 a month (twice the Old age pension i believe) plus free legal counsel to fight such deportation.= in exchange for their vote to keep the shit in power, something Kier has noticed and wants to roll out in London, and will get the chance if Sunak keeps going the way he is.
Blair received quite a lot of money from Indian software house moguls to initiate his fast tracked visa scheme which I helped sink as illegal back in the early 2000's
I wonder if Sunak is on a similar promise to enable more indians to rock up and enjoy life in britain safe from our inheritance tax laws by losing out to Starmer next year ?
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Post by dappy on Jun 27, 2023 8:58:44 GMT
As always you have to remember that as with so much done by the Johnson Government, the Rwanda scheme was not dreamt up with a view to making the situation better or finding a cost effective solution but was entirely designed to get a day or twos positive headlines in the tabloids and some votes from the more gullible. Washy washy Rishi is too weak to kill the nonsense off but will no doubt be secretly hoping that the courts do so for him (or at least delay until after the next election)
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Post by sandypine on Jun 27, 2023 9:20:25 GMT
As always you have to remember that as with so much done by the Johnson Government, the Rwanda scheme was not dreamt up with a view to making the situation better or finding a cost effective solution but was entirely designed to get a day or twos positive headlines in the tabloids and some votes from the more gullible. Washy washy Rishi is too weak to kill the nonsense off but will no doubt be secretly hoping that the courts do so for him (or at least delay until after the next election) The whole situation defines for many people exactly what politics and politicians have come to in the UK. Although it has in many ways always been thus it has become worse and more noticeable from Blair onwards and what the electorate wish to happen and vote for is largely of no consequence other than to garner votes for the incumbents and the wannabees. In the main they have eyes on their statesmen opportunities. Thatcher was the last of those who saw the country as the important aspect of politics. Whether one agrees or disagrees with her policies the benefit of the country was her aim. The electorate have been done up like kippers and find themselves emasculated by laws that bind them to the international community that cares little for individual countries and their peoples. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 27, 2023 10:18:17 GMT
On Rwanda, I think Rwanda was a scare tactic as it could take so few asylum seekers it was hoped word would get out and it would be a disincentive to further illegal immigration.
Unfortunately the Left's desperate attempts to stop any measures has exposed Rwanda as a sham destination for large numbers and so it has failed as a disincentive to illegal immigration.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 27, 2023 10:23:09 GMT
There is no limit to the number of "asylum seekers" that Rwanda will accept. That was a lie. The problem is that the policy is still undergoing legal challenge in the courts.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 27, 2023 10:26:14 GMT
As always you have to remember that as with so much done by the Johnson Government, the Rwanda scheme was not dreamt up with a view to making the situation better or finding a cost effective solution but was entirely designed to get a day or twos positive headlines in the tabloids and some votes from the more gullible. Washy washy Rishi is too weak to kill the nonsense off but will no doubt be secretly hoping that the courts do so for him (or at least delay until after the next election) But Sunak knows that without making significant inroads into the boat problem he has literally ZERO chance of winning the next election. It won't be sufficient for him to blame the courts. He has to resolve this. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 27, 2023 10:43:58 GMT
There is no limit to the number of "asylum seekers" that Rwanda will accept. That was a lie. The problem is that the policy is still undergoing legal challenge in the courts. Rwanda openly stated they would take all the UK could send... |
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Post by dappy on Jun 27, 2023 10:54:16 GMT
The professionals know that the “threat of Rwanda” will make negligible difference to people seeking to claim asylum in the UK. It sounds credible to illinformed tabloid readers and GB News watchers but in practice makes no difference whatsoever. Meanwhile sending 30000 people to Rwanda would cost upwards of £5bn annually. Simply not going to happen in the real world. It’s just a gimmick.
Solving this issue is far more boring and far less amenable to tabloid headlines. Open up legal routes, process claims more quickly probably against tougher and certainly more clearly defined standards, limit appeals to one and deport failed claimants .
Then if we are really smart start working with partners in other Western European countries and seek to agree a common asylum framework.
But if we did all of that Farage and his ilk would need to find a new bogeyman to scare people with and hence seek to control them
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