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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 24, 2023 14:16:57 GMT
Just close the place down with immediate effect, they cannot stop any legislation anyway, maybe delay it so best they are gone. And chaos would ensue. It is though quite plain to see the 'promise' and the execution are worlds apart, haven't we had enough of 'reckless' governments screwing up our country? We really do not know what Starmer is going to do. We do know he has very little grip on economic matters, just like Johnson and countless others. Never-the-less even with little economic acumen, such a person could through skill of personal judgment select the experts who tell the truth and know how to fix it. This is the best outcome we may experience with a Labour government. The corollary is that such a person, being unable to personally verify the credibility of the expert's advice would select those who are, to be blunt, fraudsters. I think we all know what false expert is like. It's not as easy as simply looking at their qualifications. The problem for the voter is that voting someone who is clueless means all the false experts recognise them as such as well and deliberately target them with their bogus advice. It's this phenomenon of like attracts like. If the PM were a professor of economics the fraudsters would feel shy in thinking they could be found out as the crooks they are. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 24, 2023 14:43:10 GMT
Do supporters of this aimless, tired Tory government seriously believe that by Starmer ammending his commitments to suit changing (worsening) economic circumstances is somehow going to change anything. ? Many of the opinion polls are now showing gaps of more than 20 points, as in for example IPSOS-MORI yesterday LAB 47(+3) CON 25(-3). Look at this Huffington Post headline from today ... "Sunakered: Tory Despair After Rishi's Worst Week Since The Last One" "Even previously-optimistic Conservatives now think the next election is lost" (Kevin Schofield, Huffington Post) The REAL promises and REAL election commitments will come with the election Manifesto, and these ar usually not released until the election, but people do have a general idea of direction. I mean we could ask the same question(s) of Sunak, what are Tory plans after 2024 ?, probably more cuts to public services, even higher NHS waiting lists, more of the same ?, further falls in living standards, even higher mortgages, higher food prices. ? Not a very good 13 year record at all What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 24, 2023 14:53:45 GMT
Do supporters of this aimless, tired Tory government seriously believe that by Starmer ammending his commitments to suit changing (worsening) economic circumstances is somehow going to change anything. ? Many of the opinion polls are now showing gaps of more than 20 points, as in for example IPSOS-MORI yesterday LAB 47(+3) CON 25(-3). Look at this Huffington Post headline from today ... "Sunakered: Tory Despair After Rishi's Worst Week Since The Last One" "Even previously-optimistic Conservatives now think the next election is lost" (Kevin Schofield, Huffington Post) The REAL promises and REAL election commitments will come with the election Manifesto, and these ar usually not released until the election, but people do have a general idea of direction. I mean we could ask the same question(s) of Sunak, what are Tory plans after 2024 ?, probably more cuts to public services, even higher NHS waiting lists, more of the same ?, further falls in living standards, even higher mortgages, higher food prices. ? Not a very good 13 year record at all What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. starmer is a bullshitter jonsky of the highest order . With the mess the uk economy is in , i dont think starmers limitations and bad points are going to save the tories over the next 12 to 18 months or so do you? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 24, 2023 14:56:58 GMT
I would start by having the Electoral Commission draw up plans for mirrored boundaries for constituencies providing elected "Senators" for scrutiny each mapped to the existing boundaries for MPs. Then, I would hold a referendum to see if the public actually want it. Then, if the public say "Yes" set a date for an election. The Lords would have their final session and hand over the House to elected Senators who would take over the job of Parliamentary scrutiny. Existing Lords would, if they wished, be able to stand for election to the House of Senators. Existing peerages would become an honorary title which in itself conveys no political power whatsoever. Wouldn't that just end up with a mirror image of the Commons, with a group of political party bots? I'm not sure they would be the right people to scrutinise government legislation? I'd much prefer us to try and take politics out of the HoL and put genuine experts in their field there. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 24, 2023 15:04:46 GMT
You could make it law that you cannot have a Senator from the same party as your MP.
Your it could be made law that all Senators must be independents.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 15:27:59 GMT
Do supporters of this aimless, tired Tory government seriously believe that by Starmer ammending his commitments to suit changing (worsening) economic circumstances is somehow going to change anything. ? Many of the opinion polls are now showing gaps of more than 20 points, as in for example IPSOS-MORI yesterday LAB 47(+3) CON 25(-3). Look at this Huffington Post headline from today ... "Sunakered: Tory Despair After Rishi's Worst Week Since The Last One" "Even previously-optimistic Conservatives now think the next election is lost" (Kevin Schofield, Huffington Post) The REAL promises and REAL election commitments will come with the election Manifesto, and these ar usually not released until the election, but people do have a general idea of direction. I mean we could ask the same question(s) of Sunak, what are Tory plans after 2024 ?, probably more cuts to public services, even higher NHS waiting lists, more of the same ?, further falls in living standards, even higher mortgages, higher food prices. ? Not a very good 13 year record at all What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. What is your problem with people changing their mind, surely that's a good thing? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 15:54:11 GMT
What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. What is your problem with people changing their mind, surely that's a good thing? Sure, in a contest where one has to prove themselves to be the most untrustworthy leader then Starmer is doing well. I think only a total moron would support a leader like that, but hey, we are talking about Labour here. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 24, 2023 17:51:27 GMT
Do supporters of this aimless, tired Tory government seriously believe that by Starmer ammending his commitments to suit changing (worsening) economic circumstances is somehow going to change anything. ? Many of the opinion polls are now showing gaps of more than 20 points, as in for example IPSOS-MORI yesterday LAB 47(+3) CON 25(-3). Look at this Huffington Post headline from today ... "Sunakered: Tory Despair After Rishi's Worst Week Since The Last One" "Even previously-optimistic Conservatives now think the next election is lost" (Kevin Schofield, Huffington Post) The REAL promises and REAL election commitments will come with the election Manifesto, and these ar usually not released until the election, but people do have a general idea of direction. I mean we could ask the same question(s) of Sunak, what are Tory plans after 2024 ?, probably more cuts to public services, even higher NHS waiting lists, more of the same ?, further falls in living standards, even higher mortgages, higher food prices. ? Not a very good 13 year record at all What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. He changes his mind less often than you post bullshit on this forum. Mind you that's not hard to do. Moving into the leadership of the Labour party requires a new set of answers to the countries problems, especially when the last leader made such a hash of leadership. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 24, 2023 17:55:53 GMT
What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. He changes his mind less often than you post bullshit on this forum. Mind you that's not hard to do. Moving into the leadership of the Labour party requires a new set of answers to the countries problems, especially when the last leader made such a hash of leadership.
Starmer supported Corbyn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 18:22:33 GMT
What is your problem with people changing their mind, surely that's a good thing? Sure, in a contest where one has to prove themselves to be the most untrustworthy leader then Starmer is doing well. I think only a total moron would support a leader like that, but hey, we are talking about Labour here. You seem to forget he has not broken any promises yet. Have you never adapted to changing circumstance. If you say you will do something will you do it no matter what circumstances change? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 18:24:16 GMT
He changes his mind less often than you post bullshit on this forum. Mind you that's not hard to do. Moving into the leadership of the Labour party requires a new set of answers to the countries problems, especially when the last leader made such a hash of leadership.
Starmer supported Corbyn. That's actually a bonus for Starmer, Corbyn was not one of the 'establishment' and would certainly have done things differently. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 24, 2023 18:31:20 GMT
What is your problem with people changing their mind, surely that's a good thing? Sure, in a contest where one has to prove themselves to be the most untrustworthy leader then Starmer is doing well. I think only a total moron would support a leader like that, but hey, we are talking about Labour here. Poor old wonky and c2 they do their best with what they have from the neck up. |
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Post by thomas on Jun 24, 2023 18:32:09 GMT
What is your problem with people changing their mind, surely that's a good thing? Sure, in a contest where one has to prove themselves to be the most untrustworthy leader then Starmer is doing well. I think only a total moron would support a leader like that, but hey, we are talking about Labour here. you say that , but while starmer is indeed untrustworthy , a poor communicator and leader , his net approval ratings are better than sunaks. Thats how bad sunak is. That a proven bullshitter of the highest order like starmer still comes out on top between them.
For Keir Starmer, May has been, on the whole, a good month. While his own personal approval ratings are down in all three polls, he has extended his lead over Sunak as preferred Prime Minister both nationally and in the Red Wall. Meanwhile his party retains its lead on most of the major policy issues and maintains a healthy lead in national voting intention.
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Post by thomas on Jun 24, 2023 18:34:54 GMT
Sure, in a contest where one has to prove themselves to be the most untrustworthy leader then Starmer is doing well. I think only a total moron would support a leader like that, but hey, we are talking about Labour here. You seem to forget he has not broken any promises yet. Have you never adapted to changing circumstance. If you say you will do something will you do it no matter what circumstances change? no?
A list of Keir Starmer’s abandoned policy pledges, from tuition fees to nationalisation
Since becoming Labour leader in 2020, Keir Starmer has abandoned some of his key promises. We’ve broken them down
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 24, 2023 19:48:14 GMT
What ever starmer has as a manifesto will be bullshit. How many times has the lying arsehole changed his mind? Even now let alone when we have the next GE. He changes his mind less often than you post bullshit on this forum. Mind you that's not hard to do. Moving into the leadership of the Labour party requires a new set of answers to the countries problems, especially when the last leader made such a hash of leadership. The problem is the new one is full of talk but the economy is not getting any better. People gave him the benefit of the doubt in that he was tied to Johnson before, but what we are seeing is just another clown. |
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