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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2023 6:30:01 GMT
No that’s great Andrew and thanks for the reply,but and of course there’s always a but but this is conjecture not fact and in any case as broad a brush as can be found. Well it actually makes perfect sense. Those who benefited from EU membership were in the main the middle and upper classes - they gained from cheaper domestic staff, cheaper tradesmen, less restrictions on visiting their holiday homes in France, etc etc. It was the average working man who suffered from lower wages, more competition for housing, school places, doctors, dentists etc etc There definitely was an educational split on the way people voted - simply because there was an educational divide in who benefited from EU membership. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 23, 2023 7:06:03 GMT
No that’s great Andrew and thanks for the reply,but and of course there’s always a but but this is conjecture not fact and in any case as broad a brush as can be found. You are incorrect here, it is from an academic study. If you use the Spectator link above, the opening paragraph gives a link to the study. When you open the study, it also gives an option to open an updated version. Reading the spectator article it states the obvious that academic studies are not always correct. If we start from your base that those that voted leave were less educated and older,is it not obvious that those who are older did not have the opportunity for further education that more go to university today does not mean they are more intelligent. I”ve in my working life come across some super intelligent (allegedly) people,some were others I wouldn’t trust o operate a microwave. Is it not the case that studies may have the unconscious bias we are so often told about,that as has been demonstrated they are so ofen not the fount of all knowledge. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 23, 2023 7:10:20 GMT
No that’s great Andrew and thanks for the reply,but and of course there’s always a but but this is conjecture not fact and in any case as broad a brush as can be found. Well it actually makes perfect sense. Those who benefited from EU membership were in the main the middle and upper classes - they gained from cheaper domestic staff, cheaper tradesmen, less restrictions on visiting their holiday homes in France, etc etc. It was the average working man who suffered from lower wages, more competition for housing, school places, doctors, dentists etc etc There definitely was an educational split on the way people voted - simply because there was an educational divide in who benefited from EU membership. I would agree,to a point but it’s based on a false premise that they are more intelligent,clearly if you look at some especially the upper classes that’s not true. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 23, 2023 7:13:53 GMT
These days it's been 7 years since the referendum. It seems Brexit has permanently broken the minds of a lot of people. I totally agree. I don't think it has that much to do with Brexit, it has more to do with the constant psychology the electorate are bombarded with, until they break the spell, which is happening slowly but surely. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2023 7:17:57 GMT
Well it actually makes perfect sense. Those who benefited from EU membership were in the main the middle and upper classes - they gained from cheaper domestic staff, cheaper tradesmen, less restrictions on visiting their holiday homes in France, etc etc. It was the average working man who suffered from lower wages, more competition for housing, school places, doctors, dentists etc etc There definitely was an educational split on the way people voted - simply because there was an educational divide in who benefited from EU membership. I would agree,to a point but it’s based on a false premise that they are more intelligent,clearly if you look at some especially the upper classes that’s not true. obviously there is a massive difference between educational attainment and intelligence.. we saw that during the covid crisis when extremely educated people came out with some of the most daft ideas heard in a generation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 9:24:07 GMT
It's an oft repeated misconception.
The thinking goes that Remainers were more likely to be from higher socio-economic groups and therefore more intelligent and therefore Remain “must” be the more intelligent vote.
And of course it's arrogant horse shit.
The simple truth is that those in higher socio-economic groups we more likely to enjoy the benefits of EU membership and less likely to suffer the downsides.
It's equally valid to point out that remainers were more likely to be business owners, own property abroad, be ex-pats, work abroad, take lots of foreign holidays etc. etc. And less likely to be competing for jobs at the lower end of the income scale. And less likely to feel the pressures on housing, healthcare and education from unconstrained mass immigration.
Voting remain wasn't an exercise in great intellect as much as one of simple selfishness.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2023 9:42:12 GMT
I'm sorry, do remain voters live in different houses? Are they subject to a different NHS? Do we go to different schools?
What a load of tosh.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 9:54:23 GMT
I'm sorry, do remain voters live in different houses? Are they subject to a different NHS? Do we go to different schools? What a load of tosh. Then you don't understand the basis of your own argument.
As I said: It wasn't an exercise in great intellect.
As you've just proved.
I'm sorry, do remain voters live in different houses? Are they subject to a different NHS? Do we go to different schools?
Oh and btw, according to the research to which you're referring, the answer in many cases is "Yes".
People with higher education levels are more likely to live in bigger houses, use private healthcare and private schools.
Of course, there's always the exception - like you, apparently.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 23, 2023 10:02:11 GMT
I'm sorry, do remain voters live in different houses? Are they subject to a different NHS? Do we go to different schools? What a load of tosh. According to the remnants hash they had different voting slips to the rest of us..Oh ABTW happy independence day hash. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 10:44:20 GMT
European migrant workers and public services
We voted to leave the European Union in June 2016, and at that time NHS waiting lists were rising
Almost immediately after the vote, European workers began leaving the UK, and NHS waiting lists continued to rise.
In 2018, one year before Covid19 arrived, the number of EU workers in the United Kingdom fell by 5%, and NHS waiting lists continued to rise.
There is, and never has been any evidence to support the theory that immigrants put strain on public services.
There are 2, perhaps 3 towns in all of the UK where European workers have impacted on schools in particular, and those places are Boston, Peterborough and March.
But even in those places, MOST teachers and head teachers will tell you that there was a strain on capacity, but that they coped.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 23, 2023 12:34:02 GMT
European migrant workers and public services We voted to leave the European Union in June 2016, and at that time NHS waiting lists were rising Almost immediately after the vote, European workers began leaving the UK, and NHS waiting lists continued to rise. In 2018, one year before Covid19 arrived, the number of EU workers in the United Kingdom fell by 5%, and NHS waiting lists continued to rise. There is, and never has been any evidence to support the theory that immigrants put strain on public services. There are 2, perhaps 3 towns in all of the UK where European workers have impacted on schools in particular, and those places are Boston, Peterborough and March. But even in those places, MOST teachers and head teachers will tell you that there was a strain on capacity, but that they coped. Coped in what fiddles? Telling our kids there are over 150 genders and women can have a pecker.. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 23, 2023 15:06:54 GMT
Khan snubbed as City Hall 'banned' from flying EU flag on Brexit referendum anniversary
Officials at City Hall were advised that doing so without advertising consent from Newham council could result in them being prosecuted
hahahahahahahahaha
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Post by vlk on Jun 23, 2023 18:43:57 GMT
It's been 7 years since the referendum and we're still talking about it.
Yet some people think there should be another referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 18:45:33 GMT
Well Andrew as I’ve already said no one has a right of reply but if you post there is a connection between intelligence and those who voted remain then you should explain that. It's simple. When I voted it said REMAIN in the EU or LEAVE the EU. I put my cross for LEAVE because I like travelling. Then there was a box for my IQ, and I put 99 hoping for a cup of tea. But they said it was a polling station not a soup kitchen. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 23, 2023 19:56:14 GMT
It's been 7 years since the referendum and we're still talking about it. Yet some people think there should be another referendum. Isis were carrying out unimaginable atrocities in the Middle East and Europe in 2016. That chinless wonder Farage told the voting public that practically the entire Muslim population of Turkey was about to move to the UK. Add Boris' lies about the NHS, and it's a wonder that the vote for Leave wasn't much, much greater. You say it's seven years since the referendum, and people are still talking about it. Sure, they are. They're also waiting for Farage's statement about Turkey to come true. Seven years later and still no sign of it. |
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