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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2023 15:02:11 GMT
I wouldn't agree with that. I think that many socialists could see the damage to pay and conditions that would be done by unconstrained mass immigration. Indeed, many on the right could see that. And we have indeed seen that play out. Albeit that it's now being corrected (well, until Starmer puts the boot into the working class again). The EU could 'have' stepped in with Union strikes, they could have imposed many obstacles to stop the Unions bringing the UK to a standstill, however the Unions are taking advantage of the fact the EU are no longer a obstacle, hence the reason they wanted them .... GONE. I'm not sure that they could. They don't seem to manage it in France. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 22, 2023 15:06:55 GMT
The EU could 'have' stepped in with Union strikes, they could have imposed many obstacles to stop the Unions bringing the UK to a standstill, however the Unions are taking advantage of the fact the EU are no longer a obstacle, hence the reason they wanted them .... GONE. I'm not sure that they could. They don't seem to manage it in France. Well basically they'd have just flooded the UK market with our foreign replacements. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2023 15:09:58 GMT
Which is what they were doing - with the disatrous consequences that we've all seen.
I agree with AndyBrown in that I don't believe that Brexit ever was a left/right thing. I also agree that there was an intellectual imbalance.
Just not in the direction that Andy imagines.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 22, 2023 15:12:20 GMT
Heavy blame was apportioned to us old buggers for voting leave, it was a constant harp before and after the result; it's still a constant harp because so many Remnants know the old buggers had it right.
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Post by vlk on Jun 22, 2023 17:55:53 GMT
These days it's been 7 years since the referendum. It seems Brexit has permanently broken the minds of a lot of people.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 22, 2023 17:59:59 GMT
These days it's been 7 years since the referendum. It seems Brexit has permanently broken the minds of a lot of people. I totally agree. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 22, 2023 22:24:48 GMT
These days it's been 7 years since the referendum. It seems Brexit has permanently broken the minds of a lot of people. I totally agree. Well Andrew as I’ve already said no one has a right of reply but if you post there is a connection between intelligence and those who voted remain then you should explain that. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 22, 2023 22:49:04 GMT
And as regards Brexit just been watching that despicable piece of work Alistair Campbell on QT and him saying one person (Boris) and a vote (brexit) causing the greatest damage ever to this country.
No Alistair that was you and Blair cooking up false dossiers and an illegal war resulting in massive damage done to this country and elsewhere by that.
I was hoping someone might remind him then remembered the last time he was on QT someone did just that and was threatened with legal action on tv by the hypocritical ****.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 22, 2023 23:17:15 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Jun 22, 2023 23:43:33 GMT
No that’s great Andrew and thanks for the reply,but and of course there’s always a but but this is conjecture not fact and in any case as broad a brush as can be found. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 23:55:33 GMT
And as regards Brexit just been watching that despicable piece of work Alistair Campbell on QT and him saying one person (Boris) and a vote (brexit) causing the greatest damage ever to this country. No Alistair that was you and Blair cooking up false dossiers and an illegal war resulting in massive damage done to this country and elsewhere by that. I was hoping someone might remind him then remembered the last time he was on QT someone did just that and was threatened with legal action on tv by the hypocritical ****. Regardless of anyones opinion on the Iraq War, it had no bearing on the UK economy, or on our standard of living, our economic situation at that time was much better than now. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 23, 2023 0:16:10 GMT
And as regards Brexit just been watching that despicable piece of work Alistair Campbell on QT and him saying one person (Boris) and a vote (brexit) causing the greatest damage ever to this country. No Alistair that was you and Blair cooking up false dossiers and an illegal war resulting in massive damage done to this country and elsewhere by that. I was hoping someone might remind him then remembered the last time he was on QT someone did just that and was threatened with legal action on tv by the hypocritical ****. i’d have said his pal blair did infinitely greater damage by destroying the unity of the united kingdom, handing power to wreck what should always have been controlled centrally to a bunch of despots and then sitting back and watch the four health services he overburdened with administrators by creating four separate sets of such implode … |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 23, 2023 0:21:24 GMT
And as regards Brexit just been watching that despicable piece of work Alistair Campbell on QT and him saying one person (Boris) and a vote (brexit) causing the greatest damage ever to this country. No Alistair that was you and Blair cooking up false dossiers and an illegal war resulting in massive damage done to this country and elsewhere by that. I was hoping someone might remind him then remembered the last time he was on QT someone did just that and was threatened with legal action on tv by the hypocritical ****. Regardless of anyones opinion on the Iraq War, it had no bearing on the UK economy, or on our standard of living, our economic situation at that time was much better than now. Pardon Sid,this thread is about the eu and the OP talks of brexit and not the economic situation I was pointing out Campbells blatant hypocrisy over his description of brexit the PM ((Boris) and his and that reptile Blairs lasting damage to this country. Boris might be something of a clown but he’s nowhere near the (alleged ) criminal Blair is,uncomfortable to hear Sid I know but Blair made labour what it is now and it’s no better than any of its political adversaries but imo infinitely worse. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 23, 2023 6:15:23 GMT
No that’s great Andrew and thanks for the reply,but and of course there’s always a but but this is conjecture not fact and in any case as broad a brush as can be found. You are incorrect here, it is from an academic study. If you use the Spectator link above, the opening paragraph gives a link to the study. When you open the study, it also gives an option to open an updated version. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2023 6:25:17 GMT
And as regards Brexit just been watching that despicable piece of work Alistair Campbell on QT and him saying one person (Boris) and a vote (brexit) causing the greatest damage ever to this country. No Alistair that was you and Blair cooking up false dossiers and an illegal war resulting in massive damage done to this country and elsewhere by that. I was hoping someone might remind him then remembered the last time he was on QT someone did just that and was threatened with legal action on tv by the hypocritical ****. It is always a fun night when you get lectures on lying from Alistair Campbell.. Anyone else with a sense of shame would have slithered off into a dark room and stayed there. |
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