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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 21:38:18 GMT
Starmer is on record as saying that the status of The Falkland Islands is a decision for the people who live there. Perhaps someone should point out to the Chinese that the same principal should apply to the people of Taiwan, their status is a matter for them, its called Self Determination. Starmer may publicly say the future of the Falklands is a decision for the Falkland islanders, but he's not kidding anyone, least of all the Falkland islanders. If the Argies decided to invade the Falklands again, other than whine to the UN there isn't a damned thing the British government could do about it, not a damned thing. In 1982 the army numbered some c140,000 (Regular) troops, and the Falklands was a real struggle, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Today we have c70,000 troops, and I'm told some of them can actually pass a fitness test, as long as they're not shouted at, and the RAF and the Navy have gone the same way. The future of the Falklands is not up to the Falkland Islanders, believe me it's up to the Argies. However, some very big differences today include a substantial British base on the Falkland Islands, including around 1,700 personnel, advanced radar instalations, Tornado fighters, helicopters, a permanent patrol vessel, another navy vessel in the Antarctic and often a submarine(s) on patrol. The two Capital Class Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy are the largest warships ever to have been in service in the navy, HMS Queen Elizabeth can carry 60 aircraft, it could potentially reach The Falkland Islands from Portsmouth in 9 days at full speed. In 1982 there was a token presence of Royal Marines on the islands, no aircraft, no sunstantial base, and of course the carriers we had back then are now dwarfed by the carriers we have now. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 22:06:32 GMT
Starmer may publicly say the future of the Falklands is a decision for the Falkland islanders, but he's not kidding anyone, least of all the Falkland islanders. If the Argies decided to invade the Falklands again, other than whine to the UN there isn't a damned thing the British government could do about it, not a damned thing. In 1982 the army numbered some c140,000 (Regular) troops, and the Falklands was a real struggle, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Today we have c70,000 troops, and I'm told some of them can actually pass a fitness test, as long as they're not shouted at, and the RAF and the Navy have gone the same way. The future of the Falklands is not up to the Falkland Islanders, believe me it's up to the Argies. However, some very big differences today include a substantial British base on the Falkland Islands, including around 1,700 personnel, advanced radar instalations, Tornado fighters, helicopters, a permanent patrol vessel, another navy vessel in the Antarctic and often a submarine(s) on patrol. The two Capital Class Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy are the largest warships ever to have been in service in the navy, HMS Queen Elizabeth can carry 60 aircraft, it could potentially reach The Falkland Islands from Portsmouth in 9 days at full speed. But we only have 30 aircraft in service - thats 15 each for the carriers. Take out a third as serviceable at any time and that leaves 20 aircraft in total. In 1982 we had almost 50 Harriers in the task force.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 27, 2023 22:06:42 GMT
Starmer may publicly say the future of the Falklands is a decision for the Falkland islanders, but he's not kidding anyone, least of all the Falkland islanders. If the Argies decided to invade the Falklands again, other than whine to the UN there isn't a damned thing the British government could do about it, not a damned thing. In 1982 the army numbered some c140,000 (Regular) troops, and the Falklands was a real struggle, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Today we have c70,000 troops, and I'm told some of them can actually pass a fitness test, as long as they're not shouted at, and the RAF and the Navy have gone the same way. The future of the Falklands is not up to the Falkland Islanders, believe me it's up to the Argies. However, some very big differences today include a substantial British base on the Falkland Islands, including around 1,700 personnel, advanced radar instalations, Tornado fighters, helicopters, a permanent patrol vessel, another navy vessel in the Antarctic and often a submarine(s) on patrol. The two Capital Class Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy are the largest warships ever to have been in service in the navy, HMS Queen Elizabeth can carry 60 aircraft, it could potentially reach The Falkland Islands from Portsmouth in 9 days at full speed. In 1982 there was a token presence of Royal Marines on the islands, no aircraft, no sunstantial base, and of course the carriers we had back then are now dwarfed by the carriers we have now. The Falklands garrison is microscopic, we used to have bigger battalions than the Falklands garrison. There's a resident infantry battalion with the usual support troops, a frigate and I believe four Typhoons, there are no Tornados. As for 'advanced' radar, let me tell you something, everything is advanced everything is the best until it's tested in a war. At which time you quickly realise, it wasn't really that advanced and it certainly wasn't the best. The aircraft carriers you speak of, have they actually got aircraft yet? No I didn't think so, and even if this scenario came to fruition and they actually got to the Falklands without mechanical problems, without thousands of troops what do you think they could do? Without ground troops and the ability to dominate the ground aircraft carriers would be pointless. And lets not forget, the Falklands war was a huge leaning curve for British forces, but it was an ever bigger leaning curve for the Argies. They're not stupid, they know we only just won in 1982, and they know our military capability is about 50% less now. These days there are Chinese airbases in Argentina, and the Chinese say Las Malvinas are Argentinian. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 22:28:25 GMT
However, some very big differences today include a substantial British base on the Falkland Islands, including around 1,700 personnel, advanced radar instalations, Tornado fighters, helicopters, a permanent patrol vessel, another navy vessel in the Antarctic and often a submarine(s) on patrol. The two Capital Class Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy are the largest warships ever to have been in service in the navy, HMS Queen Elizabeth can carry 60 aircraft, it could potentially reach The Falkland Islands from Portsmouth in 9 days at full speed. But we only have 30 aircraft in service - thats 15 each for the carriers. Take out a third as serviceable at any time and that leaves 20 aircraft in total. In 1982 we had almost 50 Harriers in the task force.. Are we not digressing here ? The original point is that a suggestion was made that Keir Starmer would hand over The Falkland Islands to the Argentinians, and that was a false statement without evidence. The UK has around 170 fighter / bomber aircraft and around 80 attack helicopters |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2023 23:21:10 GMT
However, some very big differences today include a substantial British base on the Falkland Islands, including around 1,700 personnel, advanced radar instalations, Tornado fighters, helicopters, a permanent patrol vessel, another navy vessel in the Antarctic and often a submarine(s) on patrol. The two Capital Class Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy are the largest warships ever to have been in service in the navy, HMS Queen Elizabeth can carry 60 aircraft, it could potentially reach The Falkland Islands from Portsmouth in 9 days at full speed. In 1982 there was a token presence of Royal Marines on the islands, no aircraft, no sunstantial base, and of course the carriers we had back then are now dwarfed by the carriers we have now. The Falklands garrison is microscopic, we used to have bigger battalions than the Falklands garrison. There's a resident infantry battalion with the usual support troops, a frigate and I believe four Typhoons, there are no Tornados. As for 'advanced' radar, let me tell you something, everything is advanced everything is the best until it's tested in a war. At which time you quickly realise, it wasn't really that advanced and it certainly wasn't the best. The aircraft carriers you speak of, have they actually got aircraft yet? No I didn't think so, and even if this scenario came to fruition and they actually got to the Falklands without mechanical problems, without thousands of troops what do you think they could do? Without ground troops and the ability to dominate the ground aircraft carriers would be pointless. And lets not forget, the Falklands war was a huge leaning curve for British forces, but it was an ever bigger leaning curve for the Argies. They're not stupid, they know we only just won in 1982, and they know our military capability is about 50% less now. These days there are Chinese airbases in Argentina, and the Chinese say Las Malvinas are Argentinian. I think they are saying we aught to come to a peaceful settlement with the Argentinians. The trouble is we've been threatening them and talking tough so China does not approve of the attitude. They call it the cold war attitude/colonial mindset. A lot of this does not have much to do with that part of the world and is more to do with how we ran Hong Kong, which was a little bit like we ran South Africa. Our legacy does us no favours. Anyhow I would not worry. Some of the CPC are a bit bombastic themselves, but its the leadership we need to keep on good terms with. Best not to call him a dictator like that idiot Biden. Manners count over there. Other CPC members have said some positive things about the UK so it is not all bad shit. Mostly it is a few wayward MPs we have pissing them off and of course the wretched BBC. They hate the BBC as much as you do! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 27, 2023 23:34:59 GMT
The Falklands garrison is microscopic, we used to have bigger battalions than the Falklands garrison. There's a resident infantry battalion with the usual support troops, a frigate and I believe four Typhoons, there are no Tornados. As for 'advanced' radar, let me tell you something, everything is advanced everything is the best until it's tested in a war. At which time you quickly realise, it wasn't really that advanced and it certainly wasn't the best. The aircraft carriers you speak of, have they actually got aircraft yet? No I didn't think so, and even if this scenario came to fruition and they actually got to the Falklands without mechanical problems, without thousands of troops what do you think they could do? Without ground troops and the ability to dominate the ground aircraft carriers would be pointless. And lets not forget, the Falklands war was a huge leaning curve for British forces, but it was an ever bigger leaning curve for the Argies. They're not stupid, they know we only just won in 1982, and they know our military capability is about 50% less now. These days there are Chinese airbases in Argentina, and the Chinese say Las Malvinas are Argentinian. I think they are saying we aught to come to a peaceful settlement with the Argentinians. The trouble is we've been threatening them and talking tough so China does not approve of the attitude. They call it the cold war attitude/colonial mindset. A lot of this does not have much to do with that part of the world and is more to do with how we ran Hong Kong, which was a little bit like we ran South Africa. Our legacy does us no favours. Anyhow I would not worry. Some of the CPC are a bit bombastic themselves, but its the leadership we need to keep on good terms with. Best not to call him a dictator like that idiot Biden. Manners count over there. Other CPC members have said some positive things about the UK so it is not all bad shit. Mostly it is a few wayward MPs we have pissing them off and of course the wretched BBC. They hate the BBC as much as you do! What the fuck are you talking about BvL? How the hell would you describe China's constant threatening and aggressive attitude towards Taiwan? Don't come here with your simpering pro Chinese bullshit when it comes to the Falklands. Xi Jinping is a far bigger global danger than a minnow like Putin. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 28, 2023 7:47:30 GMT
What’s China getting from Argentina ? A foothold in South America perhaps? To be fair it's probably academic, the chances are Starmer will give the Falklands to the Argies anyway. That's the sort of comment that helps to build up dishonest propaganda that ends up with people making ill informed choices at the ballot box. It is a serious undermining of democracy practiced by right-wingers in particular. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 28, 2023 9:32:34 GMT
And lets not forget, the Falklands war was a huge leaning curve for British forces, but it was an ever bigger leaning curve for the Argies. They're not stupid, they know we only just won in 1982, and they know our military capability is about 50% less now. These days there are Chinese airbases in Argentina, and the Chinese say Las Malvinas are Argentinian. From where have you heard that China has military bases in China? |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 28, 2023 9:50:30 GMT
The Falklands garrison is microscopic, we used to have bigger battalions than the Falklands garrison. There's a resident infantry battalion with the usual support troops, a frigate and I believe four Typhoons, there are no Tornados. As for 'advanced' radar, let me tell you something, everything is advanced everything is the best until it's tested in a war. At which time you quickly realise, it wasn't really that advanced and it certainly wasn't the best. The aircraft carriers you speak of, have they actually got aircraft yet? No I didn't think so, and even if this scenario came to fruition and they actually got to the Falklands without mechanical problems, without thousands of troops what do you think they could do? Without ground troops and the ability to dominate the ground aircraft carriers would be pointless. And lets not forget, the Falklands war was a huge leaning curve for British forces, but it was an ever bigger leaning curve for the Argies. They're not stupid, they know we only just won in 1982, and they know our military capability is about 50% less now. These days there are Chinese airbases in Argentina, and the Chinese say Las Malvinas are Argentinian. I think they are saying we aught to come to a peaceful settlement with the Argentinians. The trouble is we've been threatening them and talking tough so China does not approve of the attitude. They call it the cold war attitude/ Colonial mindset? . A lot of this does not have much to do with that part of the world and is more to do with how we ran Hong Kong, which was a little bit like we ran South Africa. Our legacy does us no favours. Anyhow I would not worry. Some of the CPC are a bit bombastic themselves, but its the leadership we need to keep on good terms with. Best not to call him a dictator like that idiot Biden. Manners count over there. Other CPC members have said some positive things about the UK so it is not all bad shit. Mostly it is a few wayward MPs we have pissing them off and of course the wretched BBC. They hate the BBC as much as you do! Colonial mindset? Where do you think the Argentines originated from? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 28, 2023 10:02:09 GMT
I think they are saying we aught to come to a peaceful settlement with the Argentinians. The trouble is we've been threatening them and talking tough so China does not approve of the attitude. They call it the cold war attitude/ Colonial mindset? . A lot of this does not have much to do with that part of the world and is more to do with how we ran Hong Kong, which was a little bit like we ran South Africa. Our legacy does us no favours. Anyhow I would not worry. Some of the CPC are a bit bombastic themselves, but its the leadership we need to keep on good terms with. Best not to call him a dictator like that idiot Biden. Manners count over there. Other CPC members have said some positive things about the UK so it is not all bad shit. Mostly it is a few wayward MPs we have pissing them off and of course the wretched BBC. They hate the BBC as much as you do! Colonial mindset? Where do you think the Argentines originated from? I found this and there are more current links than this one. dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-pressures-argentina-to-build-naval-base/EDIT....https://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-argentina-china-insight-idUSKCN1PP0I2 |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 28, 2023 10:07:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 10:16:23 GMT
The Falkland Islands have a population of around 3,000 people, of which about 70% have been there for generations, and of that 3000 people, approximately 98% do not want to become Argentinian.
The UK has every right to point out to the world, to Argentina, and to China that the status of the islands is primarily a matter for the people who live there.
On the other hand - There are instances where the UK is inherently very much in the WRONG, as for instance in the case of The Chagos Islands in the Indian Ocean, which is probably the most shamefull chapter in modern British history. Those islands rightfully belong to Mauritius.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 28, 2023 10:18:57 GMT
Starmer may publicly say the future of the Falklands is a decision for the Falkland islanders, but he's not kidding anyone, least of all the Falkland islanders. If the Argies decided to invade the Falklands again, other than whine to the UN there isn't a damned thing the British government could do about it, not a damned thing. In 1982 the army numbered some c140,000 (Regular) troops, and the Falklands was a real struggle, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Today we have c70,000 troops, and I'm told some of them can actually pass a fitness test, as long as they're not shouted at, and the RAF and the Navy have gone the same way. The future of the Falklands is not up to the Falkland Islanders, believe me it's up to the Argies. However, some very big differences today include a substantial British base on the Falkland Islands, including around 1,700 personnel, advanced radar instalations, Tornado fighters, helicopters, a permanent patrol vessel, another navy vessel in the Antarctic and often a submarine(s) on patrol. The two Capital Class Aircraft Carriers of the Royal Navy are the largest warships ever to have been in service in the navy, HMS Queen Elizabeth can carry 60 aircraft, it could potentially reach The Falkland Islands from Portsmouth in 9 days at full speed. In 1982 there was a token presence of Royal Marines on the islands, no aircraft, no sunstantial base, and of course the carriers we had back then are now dwarfed by the carriers we have now. And after decades of deficit spending Argentina is broke, its military is depleted, they do not pose the threat they once did. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 28, 2023 11:33:16 GMT
I think they are saying we aught to come to a peaceful settlement with the Argentinians. The trouble is we've been threatening them and talking tough so China does not approve of the attitude. They call it the cold war attitude/ Colonial mindset? . A lot of this does not have much to do with that part of the world and is more to do with how we ran Hong Kong, which was a little bit like we ran South Africa. Our legacy does us no favours. Anyhow I would not worry. Some of the CPC are a bit bombastic themselves, but its the leadership we need to keep on good terms with. Best not to call him a dictator like that idiot Biden. Manners count over there. Other CPC members have said some positive things about the UK so it is not all bad shit. Mostly it is a few wayward MPs we have pissing them off and of course the wretched BBC. They hate the BBC as much as you do! Colonial mindset? Where do you think the Argentines originated from? Not that far from China. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 28, 2023 11:46:43 GMT
Colonial mindset? Where do you think the Argentines originated from? Not that far from China. Yes and I understand the point you’re making,however by far the largest part of the population originate from colonisers. |
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