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Post by borchester on Oct 27, 2022 11:17:32 GMT
Maybe we could meet in the middle?
The Remainers voted to betray the UK to a foreign power and should not be rewarded for their treason.
So why not have a another referendum, but with the vote restricted to Brexiters?
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 11:22:08 GMT
i would say what you need to do is vote labour into power , and despite starmers blatant lies , you can then hold another referendum. Of course that isnt labours way , as they bitterly opposed the last one , and instead will try and sneak the uk back into the EU by tieing us up bit by bit , piece by piece behind the brussells bike sheds , and then will suffer the consequences of their duplicity for a long time after.
Such is the dimwits in the labour party though , not overly bright , but arrogant enough to think everyone else is more stupid than they.
Not all Labour voters or MPs opposed Brexit, that's the first bit of stupidity. A lie is not a lie until the claimed action has happened, therefore you are making a prediction and Starmer he not 'blatantly' lied, that's the second. We were better off in the EU than we are out of it, that's the third. Not a good view really. where did i say all labour mps and voters opposed brexit? Can you quote me on this , or shall we dismiss this as the usual horsehit straw men from people without a coherent arguemnt>
I made it explicitly clear 62 % of labour own constituencies voted FOR brexit , and as we all know people like wurzel corbyn were age old brexiters from old labour days , who was railroaded down the pro eu anti democratic starmer route in the GE2019.
Starmer is lying about his intentions. Anyone who believs different is away with the fairies.
wether we were better off in the eu or not , the fact is we had a debate , you lost , and then spent three years cheering on starmer and co trying and failing to overturn demcoracy. The public wont forget that.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 27, 2022 11:23:41 GMT
It's just bad timing that Brexit happenedthe at the same time as Covid and Ukraine war. It's given the remoaners a opportunist excuse to blame Brexit for everything that is going wrong. In fact all the things that are happening right now would be happening if we were still in the EU, in fact things would be a lot worse, because the UK would be asked to contribute even more money to bolster up the EU countries that are failing. So you see folks, we had a lucky escape, things could be a lot lot worse. Covid - this country was indecline long before covid thats been proven plenty of times. The ukrain war thats a event that only happened this year. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 11:25:43 GMT
Maybe we could meet in the middle?
The Remainers voted to betray the UK to a foreign power and should not be rewarded for their treason.
So why not have a another referendum, but with the vote restricted to Brexiters?
FFS borkie , dont start steve off again .( not our srb steve this forums!)
Has patman apologised for nicking your catalytic converter? Did he take the wheel trims and stereo as well?
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 27, 2022 11:33:43 GMT
It's just bad timing that Brexit happenedthe at the same time as Covid and Ukraine war. It's given the remoaners a opportunist excuse to blame Brexit for everything that is going wrong. In fact all the things that are happening right now would be happening if we were still in the EU, in fact things would be a lot worse, because the UK would be asked to contribute even more money to bolster up the EU countries that are failing. So you see folks, we had a lucky escape, things could be a lot lot worse.
thats been proven plenty of times. The ukrain war thats a event that only happened this year. Well you've just basically answered the question, so you agree that spending 47 years in the EU had no positive impact for the UK.
It has set the UK back by decades being shackled to the EU, we would be a thriving nation only for them, they've staggered our progress as to not overshadow their sorry little union, the further we breakaway from them the better, and if people haven't realised that by now, book a appointment with the Reality Doctor.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2022 11:34:59 GMT
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Post by bancroft on Oct 27, 2022 11:42:11 GMT
It's just bad timing that Brexit happenedthe at the same time as Covid and Ukraine war. It's given the remoaners a opportunist excuse to blame Brexit for everything that is going wrong. In fact all the things that are happening right now would be happening if we were still in the EU, in fact things would be a lot worse, because the UK would be asked to contribute even more money to bolster up the EU countries that are failing. So you see folks, we had a lucky escape, things could be a lot lot worse. Covid - this country was indecline long before covid thats been proven plenty of times. The ukrain war thats a event that only happened this year.. in 2019 GDP figure to debt was 85% , during COV-ID went up to 102% (probably why we ended lockdowns early) by the time Truss took over was at 99.6% It is quite clear to see COV-iD was the major challenge not Brexit. Brexit has not allowed to be given its chance to succeed due to Remainer obfuscation, COV-ID and Ukraine. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 12:02:19 GMT
Maybe we could meet in the middle?
The Remainers voted to betray the UK to a foreign power and should not be rewarded for their treason.
So why not have a another referendum, but with the vote restricted to Brexiters?
What foreign power? |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 27, 2022 12:03:40 GMT
I say this Because the case for Brexit was Built on lies by both the leave campaign and the press that supported it. You say it because the country voted to leave and you just want to incessantly moan, it's why you are known as remoaners and perhaps you should move to the wonderfully successful EU. |
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Post by Toreador on Oct 27, 2022 12:05:50 GMT
Maybe we could meet in the middle?
The Remainers voted to betray the UK to a foreign power and should not be rewarded for their treason.
So why not have a another referendum, but with the vote restricted to Brexiters?
What foreign power? Several of them but it's probably acceptable to refer to the EU as a foreign power. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 27, 2022 13:06:40 GMT
Your trouble is that you never understood what the debate was about. Like most of our politicians you almost certainly haven't got a clue what the Single Market or the Customs Union is. And you don't understand the structure of the EU. And the biggest lie was told by the Remain campaign. The "lies" listed in one of your links are just fundamental misunderstandings of the EU. For example the £350 million per week claim is our gross contribution to the EU - but it was actually more by the time we left. The argument from Remain is that we get a rebate and potentially grants. But the rebate (about £4 billion pa) is subject to regular revision by the EU (and it only goes down) and the grants are hypothecated by the EU to do things that they want and are usually conditional on the uk matching funding. That's not a good deal. As for us being able to make deals with non-EU countries while in the EU under WTO rules, no one ever denied that. That's just plain ignorance. But we couldn't make a trade deal with them. Ony the EU can do that. But what do you think Brexit was about. Stick to the simple slogan - "Take back control". We can now control our own country. So we have for example left the CAP and CFP. That's to our advantage. But it does depend on our politicians taking advantage of our freedoms. Unfortunately they haven't - partly because there are some stupid people - like you - still trying to get us back into the EU. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 27, 2022 13:11:47 GMT
Your trouble is that you never understood what the debate was about. Like most of our politicians you almost certainly haven't got a clue what the Single Market or the Customs Union is. And you don't understand the structure of the EU. And the biggest lie was told by the Remain campaign. The "lies" listed in one of your links are just fundamental misunderstandings of the EU. For example the £350 million per week claim is our gross contribution to the EU - but it was actually more by the time we left. The argument from Remain is that we get a rebate and potentially grants. But the rebate (about £4 billion pa) is subject to regular revision by the EU (and it only goes down) and the grants are hypothecated by the EU to do things that they want and are usually conditional on the uk matching funding. That's not a good deal. As for us being able to make deals with non-EU countries while in the EU under WTO rules, no one ever denied that. That's just plain ignorance. But we couldn't make a trade deal with them. Ony the EU can do that. But what do you think Brexit was about. Stick to the simple slogan - "Take back control". We can now control our own country. So we have for example left the CAP and CFP. That's to our advantage. But it does depend on our politicians taking advantage of our freedoms. Unfortunately they haven't - partly because there are some stupid people - like you - still trying to get us back into the EU. You are peeing against the wind mate. You can't educate pork. |
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Post by colbops on Oct 27, 2022 13:22:45 GMT
I say this Because the case for Brexit was Built on lies by both the leave campaign and the press that supported it. No, that would be silly because - Referenda in a representative democracy in the form of the UKs system are silly
- Having another brexit referendum would be silly since the UK has already left, and the UK can't leave even more
- Having a vote to join now would be akin to going into a car dealership and saying we had a vote saying I must buy a car from you. One isn't likely to get a very good deal when the dealer knows you don't have a choice but to buy a car from them.
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Post by borchester on Oct 27, 2022 13:47:18 GMT
Maybe we could meet in the middle?
The Remainers voted to betray the UK to a foreign power and should not be rewarded for their treason.
So why not have a another referendum, but with the vote restricted to Brexiters?
FFS borkie , dont start steve off again .( not our srb steve this forums!)
Has patman apologised for nicking your catalytic converter? Did he take the wheel trims and stereo as well?
Shush.
I like Pat and don't want to force him to admit he drives a 14 year old Honda Jazz  |
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Post by thomas on Oct 27, 2022 13:49:06 GMT
FFS borkie , dont start steve off again .( not our srb steve this forums!)
Has patman apologised for nicking your catalytic converter? Did he take the wheel trims and stereo as well?
Shush.
I like Pat and don't want to force him to admit he drives a 14 year old Honda Jazz lol. I thought he drove a BMW between his inspections of his property portfolio and wine bar empire? |
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