Could this be a turning point in British politcs...

All Marxist governments work on the idea of one man who is king and remains in power for 40 odd years until they are too old and then their son takes over. It does not necessarily mean the leader is a tyrant, as they can act in a moral way and do a half-reasonable job, but I'd say it is the defining characteristic of this kind of government. It all hinges on their reputation and personality. You gotta ask, does this look like Boris or Farage. I think it does. Rishi is more a team player though. We could have inadvertently got the right guy by understanding who the wrong guy was and then going for the opposite type of persona, which is a kind of proxy for a more capitalist type of government, one where you as a citizen feel like you have money to spare.

If the next election is fought on this matter then we are fucked. International investors will see us as a bunch of loons going round in endless circles of bickering. A bit like this forum. The right kind of government will say, now what. Lets look at where we are and how we are going to best develop the UK economy given our new relationship with the world. They will be forward-looking and it will signal to investors the government is making sense. Johnson never gave Brexit a chance. He is a loser.

Fair enough Dan, I missed this response on an earlier thread.  

I think most people would understand that this can't be Johnson or Farage due to the baggage they carry.  Does feel like in the current crop the best you can expect is Sir Jacob, Kemi, Priti or Suella. Which frankly doesn't seem a particularly impressive list......  Perhaps your man will cometh but may take him a while to get here?
 

Put Farage in charge of the Tory Party, kick out the wets and watch the landslide happen.

Or don't and see the impotent Starmer at the helm of a rudderless ship.

Enoch Powell was an intellectual colossus and certainly a visionary - his predictions were uncannily accurate. But it didn't actually do him much good because his political career was finished by pygmies like Heath. Powell became a pariah and, sadly, made it very difficult for anyone to speak the truth about immigration and multiculturalism without being called racist. These became taboo subjects for decades until Farage had the balls to bring it up again. But Farage was very careful about what he said. Powell was an intellectual and just said what he thought was the truth (and mostly was the truth as it has proved) - and he got viciously attacked by the social liberals.

However I've been very impressed by Richard Tice. He's obviously not an intellectual and doesn't have the political nous of Farage but he understands what the real issues are for most people and he talks sensibly about how to reform government. He's also a successful businessman and a talented broadcaster - and he gets on with people, which is very important. A party led by him and Farage would be very attractive to a large section of the public. It'll be called "populist" but who cares. If Boris wanted to join so much the better, but Boris is a bit too much of a liberal softy to get on with them I think.

That's what I'm hoping will happen anyway - Tice and Farage heading up Reform. I reckon they'd take a lot of votes from both mainstream parties and the Lib Dems. This could be important as I reckon that the next election is looking more and more like a hung parliament, so it's very important to make sure that Labour and the Lib Dems can't make a coalition - which would be utterly disastrous for the country. 

Neither Tice nor Farage would tolerate Boris's "green crap" for very long. I don't think Boris is very interested in it either but Carrie is - and Boris has always been pushed around by his women.