Could this be a turning point in British politcs...

Thank you for at least answering the question John. You’ve given yourself a pretty big range with 0-20. I agree it would fall in that range but feel all evidence suggest we can rule out the 2-20 element of it.

And that surely is why Johnson would not be interested. We surely know that Johnson himself has no political convictions of his own merely a lust for personal political power. So why would he wish to lead a party towards virtual inevitable abject defeat and failure. Not his style surely.

Besides if the agenda here was to start a new party, surely he would have wished Dorries and the other chap to hold on to their seats and defect. Why if that is the game would they walk away now?

I did give myself a pretty big range. I wouldn’t be so swift to rule out 90% of it. I see first hand the degree of utter vitriol in parts of the party courtesy of the new in-laws. To hand back the party cards would be utterly unthinkable (at the moment) but the last idiot who tried to conjure up some donations won’t make that mistake again while the slimy greasy dago who engineered the coup is still in the job. Not my words …

In 2005 Labour activists were openly admitting shock at the degree to which Blair caused utter hatred on the doorstep. Newport East a parliamentary constituency full of ex steelworkers made ex steelworkers by Margaret Thatcher, whose Labour vote was measured not by bank tellers counting but by hotel chefs weighing out the papers on their cooking scales became an ultramarginal with a labour majority over the lib dems of barely more than 1200

In a by election not twenty miles north Blair’s replacement of a much liked and respected man with a woman non-one had heard of caused an insurrection that cost labour the safest seat in Wales, the seat that sent Nye Bevan to create the NHS and Michael Foot to lead the party into the wilderness in the Thatcher years. I was in Ebbw vale the day Peter Law addressed the town and it was beyond surreal as was the degree of hatred if the Labour party. Welsh Labour lost their one seat majority in the assembly that day and the ultramarxist plaid cymru man they gave the token presidency of the house to stop his cottage burning pals burning tbe place down had to suck a bucket of lemons and pass his casting vote to give Labour their first ministership propped up by the lib dems

In truth i have absolutely no idea what the numbers might actually be. My head tells me the big fat zero is on the cards but Mhairi Black never in a million years thought she would be going to Westminster on Ed Ball’s gravy train ticket did she.

It all depends on how deep the hatred goes.

From what i’ve seen its pretty deep

Angry people do unexpected things.

I can't talk to local Welsh politics John.  

What I would say to you is don't make the mistake of thinking that members of a political party are representative of potential voters for that party. Not the same thing at all as Labour found out and the Tories perhaps are about to.

I note that Red finally answered the question after many hours.  Honestly I think it a little bit of a stretch  to see Johnson and Farage bury their personal animosity and giant egos to work together for a couple of months. To think they are going to do so for many years seems to me utterly fanciful.  

I think it is likely that Labour will form the next government although I struggle to form a view whether it will be a minority government or whether they will get a significant majority. Either way it feels inevitable that the Tories will have an almighty and probably needed fight for what exactly they want to be in the future.  Have to say if I was a "populist leaning" politician currently a Tory MP, I would concentrate my energy and hopes on trying to win that impending battle and complete the UKIP takeover of the Tories rather than jumping ship to a seemingly doomed start up.  

Interesting to note that you have now become a tax cutter. Not sure I had you down as that in the past. Your choice of course but have to say you seem like a GB news dream - happy to hoover up whatever propaganda they churn out. Its almost as if you were asleep for the disastrous regime  of the Truss weeks when economic reality suddenly hit fanciful dogma and damaged the lives of so many British citizens.  Each to their own I guess. 

Dan, I did ask you on another thread before but think you missed it.

Have you identified the man that you think will shortly cometh or is it more a hope and expectation that one day a currently unknown man will emerge

If the former, would you share who you think it is?

Something I suspect the GBP will never thank them for when it realises what a crock of shit Brexit has turned out to be. Which I believe it already has, except for die-hard fundamentalists.

My current prediction is an application to rejoin before 2030, perhaps even as soon as 2025. The next election could well be fought on this question. If not the next, then certainly the one after.

I'm sensing that the more commited fundamentalists have retired from the fray or are keeping a low profile so, hopefully, any future debate will be more civil than the last time.