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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 10:00:35 GMT
Well it was loud and clear. It's just that it was bollocks. You mean like your asinine post about the bbc? Are you saying nobody has the right to appeal? Or that the justice system be based around what you read in the sun or the daily mail. They appealed ,quite rightly lost and are to be booted out. Of course they should have the right to appeal. That's why our country is not run by Squeezed Middle. Weirdly, even when he sees justice work he still hates it. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 10:03:35 GMT
The human rights act is a necessity. The trouble is that it's crap. You can't have the same human rights for everyone. It seems that "Just Stop Oil " have the "human right " to stop members of the public going about their lawful business and are rarely prosecuted. Lives have been put in danger because they have held up patients on their way to hospital. On the other hand I apparently would not have the human right to go and shit on their heads while they glue themselves to the road if I lost a large business contract because they made me late. Why not? I demand my human right to protest about protestors. You could glue yourself to the road at the end of their drives to protest. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2022 10:11:36 GMT
You mean like your asinine post about the bbc? Are you saying nobody has the right to appeal? Or that the justice system be based around what you read in the sun or the daily mail. They appealed ,quite rightly lost and are to be booted out. Of course they should have the right to appeal. That's why our country is not run by Squeezed Middle. Weirdly, even when he sees justice work he still hates it. Well, let's see: ...according to the Guardian: "They have now appeared before 12 judges, including a master of the rolls, during hearings at three crown courts, a number of immigration tribunals and the court of appeal. The pair’s legal challenge was funded by more than £550,000 of public money." And you think that farce represents "Justice working". Jeez, no wonder this country's in a state. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 14:15:45 GMT
The human rights act is a necessity. The trouble is that it's crap. You can't have the same human rights for everyone. It seems that "Just Stop Oil " have the "human right " to stop members of the public going about their lawful business and are rarely prosecuted. Lives have been put in danger because they have held up patients on their way to hospital. On the other hand I apparently would not have the human right to go and shit on their heads while they glue themselves to the road if I lost a large business contract because they made me late. Why not? I demand my human right to protest about protestors. You could glue yourself to the road at the end of their drives to protest. Or he could continue to question the illegal actions by Stop Oil. They have been in breach of Human Rights by putting the public in danger.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 14:38:05 GMT
Of course they should have the right to appeal. That's why our country is not run by Squeezed Middle. Weirdly, even when he sees justice work he still hates it. Well, let's see: ...according to the Guardian: "They have now appeared before 12 judges, including a master of the rolls, during hearings at three crown courts, a number of immigration tribunals and the court of appeal. The pair’s legal challenge was funded by more than £550,000 of public money." And you think that farce represents "Justice working". Jeez, no wonder this country's in a state. How can I possibly know without knowing what the appeals were. I am also always dubious about the claims about the costs. Its like those stupid newspaper claims that a prime ministers visit cost £2m on the assumption that the security forces, planes, helicopters and military would simply cease to exist if they didn't go. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 14:41:57 GMT
You could glue yourself to the road at the end of their drives to protest. Or he could continue to question the illegal actions by Stop Oil. They have been in breach of Human Rights by putting the public in danger.
Most of those who took part were warned they faced prison, but they felt the cause was too important and were willing to suffer the consequences. According to my son they had literally hundreds of people wiling to take the place of those arrested. I wonder what the attitude on here would be if the protesters were out there because the government decided to re-join the EU. You want protests banned, be careful what you wish for. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2022 14:43:49 GMT
10 years, Zany. 10 years.
To decide that the original judge was right in the first place...
And you think that's "Justice working"? By any objective measure that's justice broken.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 14:47:29 GMT
Or he could continue to question the illegal actions by Stop Oil. They have been in breach of Human Rights by putting the public in danger.
Most of those who took part were warned they faced prison, but they felt the cause was too important and were willing to suffer the consequences. According to my son they had literally hundreds of people wiling to take the place of those arrested. I wonder what the attitude on here would be if the protesters were out there because the government decided to re-join the EU. You want protests banned, be careful what you wish for. I didn't advocate a protest ban, so maybe hold down on the strawmen and whataboutery. I was very clearly pointing out that the actions by Stop Oil are in breach of the law and human rights, which sets them apart from legitimate protest.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 15:38:11 GMT
10 years, Zany. 10 years. To decide that the original judge was right in the first place... And you think that's "Justice working"? By any objective measure that's justice broken. If you hadn't picked filthy foreigners for your example I would be more interested, but you have. You are not interested in how well our justice system works but only in picking on foreigners. The Hillsborough case took forever, the Grenfell tower case cost a fortune and took forever. What's your views on them? Please widen your portfolio so I know this isn't just innate racism. How's it go. The Human Rights Act needs binning. If it weren't for these spurious cases these arseholes (and thousands of other foreign criminals) would have been booted out already. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2022 16:02:32 GMT
Oh do grow up, Zany.
These cases are far simpler than the major enquiries that you've cherry picked.
And, as for your spurious allegations of racism, you can shove them right up your self-righteous jacksie.
Or shall I start calling you a paedo?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 14, 2022 18:52:35 GMT
Oh do grow up, Zany. These cases are far simpler than the major enquiries that you've cherry picked. And, as for your spurious allegations of racism, you can shove them right up your self-righteous jacksie. Or shall I start calling you a paedo? Thanks for this. So to clarify, why do these cases concerning foreign criminals concern you so much? As we don't really see attempted human rights breaches within the UK, it does seem inevitable that we would only see them in cases of deportment, especially to countries with poor human rights records. And that deportment could only apply to foreigners. Thank you for letting me know the simplicity of the cases, could you expand on that a bit for me as you know about them. Over the ten year period what was claimed and counter claimed? With that information I might well agree with you. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2022 19:14:06 GMT
Thanks for this. So to clarify, why do these cases concerning foreign criminals concern you so much? As we don't really see attempted human rights breaches within the UK, it does seem inevitable that we would only see them in cases of deportment... Oh, I dislike home-grown scumbags too – but we're stuck with them. Foreign ones, not so much. So let's get rid. And, as you accept, we don't really see attempted human rights breaches within the UK, so one wonders why you're so concerned with preserving the rights of foreign criminals? After all, it's not as if we're so short of our own that we need to import them. Unless of course you'd like more foreign paedophiles?
Would you? I am starting to wonder.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 14, 2022 20:30:54 GMT
It's a shame we can't hang the bastards.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 14, 2022 23:19:02 GMT
It's a shame we can't hang the bastards. Yes so you’d have hung Stefan Kiszco would you? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 15, 2022 0:32:02 GMT
Nope, there was always doubt over his conviction, the evidence against him was faked.
Ronald Castree though, 100% DNA match, I'd hang him.
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